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solishu
I know I'm a bit late in hitting this craze, but I figure living in Bolivia gives me an excuse. I just read the first book in the series, and probably won't be able to get to the next two for some time, as new English language books are tough to come by here. Anyway, has anyone else here given this YA teenage vampire romantic thriller a read?

I have very little experience with romance novels (though I'm committed to reading at least one Jane Austin by the year's end) and I will immediately agree that Twilight's p.o.v. makes it more a female than male oriented novel but there were still some elements of it that I really enjoyed. One aspect of the book that particularly stood out to me was the way that the growing romance between Bella and Edward, a vampire, is expressed in terms of adolescent sexual awakening and frustration. The fear that Edward feels about not being able to control his thirst and the precautions he takes to protect Bella (and an eventual growth in his confidence in his self-control) was something that I think a lot of teenagers can relate to. It's really easy for me to see why this book has grown into the phenomenon that it has.

And yeah, it's obviously pulp fiction, but as far as penny-dreadfuls go, I feel like I got my money's worth from Twilight.
Christian
My boss took her son -- not her daughter, who's not interested -- to a midnight release party today in Northern Virginia for the last book in the series. She's in her 40s, I think, and has read all books in the series twice. Her son has read at least a couple of them and doesn't love them as much as my boss does, but she convinced him that lots of girls would be at the release party. That persuaded him to join her for the party. I'm waiting for Monday to hear how it went.
Gina
Oh, gosh. I'm working on a freelance review of the series, so I've been reading them all and also tracking fan reaction to the new book on the Internet. A surprising number of the fans are exploding with rage, and I can hardly blame them. Breaking Dawn is so hilariously, unbelievably bad. Not that I thought the first three were good (sorry, solishu), but this one is in a class all by itself. There is hardly any plot, every conflict easily and magically resolves itself before it even gets off the ground, and Meyer's prose has never been purpler. Oh, and there's a magical fast-growing supersmart super-beautiful super-empathetic vampire baby who reads Tennyson at the age of three months (I swear!) and shouldn't even exist according to Meyer's own rules.

Of course, some of the major fansites are shut down for the moment (no one wanted to risk spoilers), so things may change when they reopen. Those are the really hardcore fans.
BethR
QUOTE (Gina @ Aug 3 2008, 08:34 PM) *
A surprising number of the fans are exploding with rage, and I can hardly blame them. Breaking Dawn is so hilariously, unbelievably bad. Not that I thought the first three were good (sorry, solishu), but this one is in a class all by itself.

Whoa. I just read a couple of spoilers for Breaking Dawn that really blow it off the charts of badness, as far as I can tell. I no fan of censorship, but some things no one needs. As Xander once said, "I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good." So far, nothing I've heard about the Twilight series has changed my mind, not even Edward's sparkly-ness (or maybe especially).
BethR
Also, I'm getting flashbacks to the worst seasons of Angel, season 3-4. And yet, even those episodes were handled with more elan, I suspect.
Roland Deschain
QUOTE (BethR @ Aug 5 2008, 01:15 PM) *
Also, I'm getting flashbacks to the worst seasons of Angel, season 3-4. And yet, even those episodes were handled with more elan, I suspect.



Although I haven't read these books (nor do I plan to), the sheer "hackishness" of appearance of these books itself makes me cringe. :eek: IMO, it's another trend of badly-written books (judging by the reviews) being swallowed up by teenyboppers and others.
Gina
For those interested, my review of the series is now up at NRO.
Overstreet
Thanks, Gina! I'll include that in my next Browser.
Gina
Much appreciated!
BethR
QUOTE (Gina @ Aug 22 2008, 11:41 AM) *
For those interested, my review of the series is now up at NRO.

Pretty much sums up everything I've been reading, Gina. Thanks.
SDG
Gina, great review, thanks! Bizarrely, less than an hour after I discovered it, someone called me looking for an opinion on the series.

I know a guy who is writing something about vampires... we suddenly have a lot to talk about. Again, thanks.
Gina
I'm so glad it was helpful! smile.gif
Roland Deschain
QUOTE (SDG @ Aug 22 2008, 03:01 PM) *
Gina, great review, thanks! Bizarrely, less than an hour after I discovered it, someone called me looking for an opinion on the series.

I know a guy who is writing something about vampires... we suddenly have a lot to talk about. Again, thanks.



Would that be Eric Wilson, author of the pending Jerusalem Undead vampire series?
SDG
QUOTE (Roland Deschain @ Aug 24 2008, 03:32 AM) *
Would that be Eric Wilson, author of the pending Jerusalem Undead vampire series?

No. This is a different Christian (and Catholic) take on vampires.
Overstreet
Meanwhile, fantasy novelist Daniel Clement-Davies' books continue to sell well among readers young and old, win acclaim from critics, and his characters argue openly and blatantly that Christianity is the source of all evil,* and that when we all realize that we are really just animals we will be on the road to peace.

This is unlikely to cause much trouble or spark any kind of discussion in Christian media until Clement-Davies' stories are discovered as potential big-screen material. Because most Christians aren't reading much beyond "Christian fiction." as far as we're concerned, it's not real and relevant until it's a movie.**


*Just read Fell, for example.
**(gross generalization, based upon events involving The Golden Compass)
David Smedberg
Gina, thanks for the review!

I read it at the same time as I read Regina Doman's review, and they make for an interesting contrast (for someone who has absolutely no intention of reading any one of these books... smile.gif )

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Is it a parable? Or is it just a romance story? Is Meyer exploiting a choice dramatic situation or trying to tap some kind of message? Hard to tell. Twilight, determined by Bella’s first-person narrative point of view, could be female fantasy no deeper than shimmers in a puddle. And the book gives ample room to voice the conventional young-romance mix of sex, love, and death-longing, the recurring theme of so much teen poetry and art and rock songs: you can practically see the movie posters and hear the sound track already as you read it. But Edward, the moral compass of the story for all of his toying and sarcasm, might be the way for the author to angle in on a deeper meaning about male and female sexuality.
Gina
QUOTE (Overstreet @ Aug 24 2008, 12:47 PM) *
Meanwhile, fantasy novelist Daniel Clement-Davies' books continue to sell well among readers young and old, win acclaim from critics, and his characters argue openly and blatantly that Christianity is the source of all evil,* and that when we all realize that we are really just animals we will be on the road to peace.

This is unlikely to cause much trouble or spark any kind of discussion in Christian media until Clement-Davies' stories are discovered as potential big-screen material. Because most Christians aren't reading much beyond "Christian fiction." as far as we're concerned, it's not real and relevant until it's a movie.*


*Just read Fell, for example.
**(gross generalization, based upon events involving The Golden Compass)


Thank you for letting me know about those. First time I've heard of them. And David, thanks for that link; I'll check it out.
Jason Panella
QUOTE (Overstreet @ Aug 24 2008, 12:47 PM) *
Meanwhile, fantasy novelist Daniel Clement-Davies' books continue to sell well among readers young and old, win acclaim from critics, and his characters argue openly and blatantly that Christianity is the source of all evil,* and that when we all realize that we are really just animals we will be on the road to peace.

This is unlikely to cause much trouble or spark any kind of discussion in Christian media until Clement-Davies' stories are discovered as potential big-screen material. Because most Christians aren't reading much beyond "Christian fiction." as far as we're concerned, it's not real and relevant until it's a movie.**


I remember seeing his stuff when I worked in a bookstore a few years back. The covers especially caught my eye, as I thought, "Those look like the sort of covers that accompany bad fanfic. No one will buy those."

How wrong I was! Didn't really know much about them 'til now, though. Thanks, Jeff!
Peter T Chattaway
Link to the thread on the film.
BethR
Mormon Vampires: The Twilight Saga and Religious Literacy, a Master's thesis by Edwin Arnaudin. Downloadable PDF. Quite interesting!

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Abstract: This study is a content analysis of Stephenie Meyer’s Twilight Saga and a guide to Mormon Literacy. It examines the three current novels in the Saga and analyzes them in respect to central tenets of the Mormon faith. As a result of this study, the limitations of Meyer’s religion as seen through her writing are thoroughly explored, revealing the unique boundaries through which her beliefs force her to work. By abstaining from explicitly mentioning aspects of Mormon doctrine, Meyer nevertheless creates imaginative characters and scenarios, though the resulting texts still carry an undeniable and inescapable air of Latter-day Saint values.


Dated 2 Apr 2008, and thus, unfortunately, does not cover the dreadful Breaking Dawn. I would really have liked to hear Mr. Arnaudin's take on that!
nardis
Thanks for the link, Beth. I'm interested, but am not sure if I can make myself read the books, if only because the excerpts I've seen are so bad. OTOH, it might turn out to be kinda fun, if I keep Cleolinda's commentaries and Wiki close by. wink.gif
Peter T Chattaway
John Granger, the Orthodox Christian otherwise known as The Hogwarts Professor, has read Twilight. His thoughts on the Mormon subtexts are especially interesting.
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