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David Smedberg
From First Things, this month's free article is by Joseph Bottum, and it's titled Children’s Books, Lost and Found.

It's a thought-provoking read, and well worth your time; I totally agree with this passage, referring to the "lost", which he implies probably belonged lost:
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early in the nineteenth century, [the Victorians] pressed into service a number of adult books that have remained in the shared children’s canon ever since: Pilgrim’s Progress, Don Quixote, Gulliver’s Travels, Robin son Crusoe, The Arabian Nights, and so on.
Some of these were wildly inappropriate. That was the joke when Richard Burton impishly published a complete translation of The Arabian Nights in 1885, proving that the unexpurgated text did not match the tamer versions everyone knew from their childhood. At one point in Gulliver’s Travels, Jonathan Swift has his hero stand athwart a road to form a triumphal arch for the Lilliputian army, and publishers of editions for children would always begin by cutting the ribald comments from the miniature soldiers as they passed beneath the giant’s tattered trousers.

And, later on, for those books he is glad have been "found":
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Golden ages are not measured by their major figures, since genius comes when it comes, in or out of season. The real advantage of a golden age for a literary genre is the elevation of its second-rank authors: Merely good writers become great writers when they happen to live at the right moment. Few of these recent children’s writers (apart possibly from [Neil] Gaiman and [Michael] Chabon) are major literary talents, but all of them are better than they would have been in other times.


I was surprised, and humbled, by how few of his recommendations I've read, or even heard of. Neil Gaiman and Diana Wynn Jones I'm familiar with, along with Artemis Fowl and A Series of Unfortunate Events, but many of the others were not on my radar screen until now. I've found Wynn Jones the most rewarding, while Gaiman remains very problematic, despite his mastery of craft.

But his reference to Madeleine L'Engle as "brackish water praised in the desert of [her] era" seems totally upside-down to me. A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door, and A Swiftly Tilting Planet aren't perfect, but they do bring deeply human issues sympathetically to the fore, and are also examples of a really unique world-vision. And that may be symptomatic of a more general hole in his idea of fantasy -- where is Ursula K. LeGuin, or Patricia McKillip? What about the absolute joys of Lloyd Alexander's "Taran" quintology, or Walter Wangerin's The Book of the Dun Cow? Sometimes self-conscious? Sure! Excellent reading? Definitely.

Thoughts?
nardis
His appraisal is very personal, and (I think) a little quirky, but that's inevitable when someone is working from their own tastes. I wish he gave some reasons for the choices he's making re. Madeleine L'Engle and several others. And as you've noted, David, he leaves out a number of top-notch authors.

But I'll heartily second him on Lucretia Hale's "Peterkin" books - they're very funny, and good-humored to boot. (Definitely a favorite of mine since childhood.) I've always wanted to meet "the lady from Philadelphia." smile.gif (More on the books here.)
mrmando
Winnie-the-Pooh is "cloying goop"? Them's fightin' words.
David Smedberg
Ellen, thanks for the recommendation, those look delightful.

I've been thinking about this phrase more:
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The real advantage of a golden age for a literary genre is the elevation of its second-rank authors: Merely good writers become great writers when they happen to live at the right moment.

and the more I think about it, the less it seems to describe where we are today. Today's fantasy isn't giving us new Terry Pratchetts or C.S. Lewis's. Instead, the most popular classics are either entirely adult-oriented (Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell) or pretty wretched (Eragon or Twilight). Of course, this is only those I'm aware of, and I'm painfully aware of how limited is the scope of my knowledge.
nardis
Well, I grabbed The Peterkin Papers from Bottum's essay, so I'm agreeing with him on Hale. wink.gif

I've been mulling over the idea of writing a YA novel and have been reading a fair amount of YA fantasy and historical fiction recently. So far, the fantasy stuff has been pretty bad (no naming of names, though!), with the exception of Philip Pullman.

I don't think Lewis or Lloyd Alexander or E. Nesbit or Tolkien were looking to fill a marketing niche, you know? Ditto for Susanna Clark. But most publishers are looking for stuff to fill that gap.

Good writers - in any genre - are pretty rare. I wish there were more like Le Guin and Alexander and [add names], but I think they'll always be in short supply.
Ben Johnson
QUOTE (mrmando @ Nov 14 2008, 10:02 PM) *
Winnie-the-Pooh is "cloying goop"? Them's fightin' words.


I agree! In fact, I found most of the article filled with "fightin' words"...but I apparently like cloying goop...
nardis
I agree, but i have to wonder if that isn't exactly what the writer intended... to get a discussion going. If so, he's succeeded. smile.gif
Helen
I find this article mostly bewildering, and would have liked more explanation for his opinions. Some of the juxtapositions are very strange, too--dismissing L'Engle right before praising Gail Carson Levine, for instance. Some of L'Engle's books have problems of pacing, characterization, etc.--but I'd say she's miles better than Levine, both in style and substance. (Ella Enchanted was clever and fun--and much better than the movie adaptation--but ultimately rather forgettable.) I was also surprised that he liked Artemis Fowl, a book I detested . . . it belongs to that particular subgenre of fantasy that delights in taking all the magic, mystery, and awe out of traditional fairy-tale subjects, and replacing them with advanced technology and vulgarity. I don't understand how one could prefer that to L'Engle and Pooh.

I was also surprised by his comment that the G. A. Henty books should be revived. They've all been republished in recent years, and are quite popular in some circles. I found them formulaic and disappointing; the historical setting changes, but the plots remain mostly the same from one book to the next. (And somehow he contrives to have an English protagonist in almost every book, no matter what country or era he's writing about.)

I suppose it works as a list of likes and dislikes, though, or as a list of suggested reading for people who don't keep up with children's literature at all.
nardis
QUOTE (Helen @ Nov 17 2008, 09:38 PM) *
I suppose it works as a list of likes and dislikes...


I think that's what it really is. wink.gif
David Smedberg
Helen, thanks for those thoughts, and welcome to Arts and Faith. smile.gif

As I hinted at, I totally agree with you on L'Engle. Bottum just isn't getting it there. But his article does work for me, I think, as more than just a list of his personal tastes; the unifying theme he's using is the urge to buy a book as a Christmas present for a young person.

What most ordinary people will do is to go to Borders or Barnes and Noble etc. and look at what they've got. Outside of the awful brightly-colored vampire and werewolf series which anyone with good taste knows to avoid, what are they likely to have? A section of, for lack of a better word, "Victorian" classics like Robinson Crusoe, Swiss Family Robinson, and Treasure Island for boys and Heidi, The Little Princess, and Little Women for girls; a section of Newberry Award Winners (my usual haunt, I admit); a section of movie spinoffs, especially by Disney; and then the remarkably popular fantasy section, headlined by Harry Potter but also including Inkheart, the Spiderwick Chronicles, etc.

Now, I'm beginning to think that, as advice, his article fails. You can do much, much better than Coraline as a stocking-stuffer. But it's a remarkably positive thing, I think, to have a First Things author complimenting Harry Potter for being "pretty good books". He gets major kudos from me for acknowledging that the classic canon may have been skewed by exactly the process which haunts all art for children: the ones buying it aren't the ones consuming it, and the ones consuming it have tastes that are at best only half-formed. So maybe question to ask is: "What's the next step?" Where do we go from here? Can people like Bottum and people like you and I agree on a canon of children's book to present to ordinary book-buying people?
nardis
David, I think you're right about "taking the next step." Maybe (if you haven't already) you could write to Bottums and/or First Things with some of your thoughts? (Ditto for you, Helen!)

As far as B&N, the one closest to me actually has a really nice kids' section + a separate YA section that's sort of an adjunct to the "adult" fiction shelves. Granted, a lot of not-so-hot books are prominently displayed (store policy, I think, in this case), but even a quick look through the shelves yields a lot of interesting-looking books by authors none of us have mentioned. (I don't have the list I started nearby...)

My thought is that anyone who takes more than 5 minutes to get a gift is going to see at least some of those books... I used to be a bookstore clerk (for 2 different chains, for a used bookstore, and then for 2 independent stores) and there are generally a lot of browsers in the kids' sections... So I think there's room for a lot of hope. smile.gif

Edited to add: Are you sure you want to create a "canon"? Or would you rather see a few lists of good books that kids like? For me, at least, lists (with comments) are more likely to get me interested in reading something than "canons" are. And I think that going to kids and getting their comments on what they like - and why - is crucial. Think of it as being analogous to the "staff favorite" shelves that many bookstores have.

I used to write for a magazine where kids' recordings (music and storytelling CDs) were primarily reviewed by kids. They give a very fresh perspective on *everything,* and they didn't have an agenda. wink.gif
David Smedberg
QUOTE (nardis @ Nov 18 2008, 01:28 PM) *
Edited to add: Are you sure you want to create a "canon"? Or would you rather see a few lists of good books that kids like? For me, at least, lists (with comments) are more likely to get me interested in reading something than "canons" are. And I think that going to kids and getting their comments on what they like - and why - is crucial. Think of it as being analogous to the "staff favorite" shelves that many bookstores have.

I used to write for a magazine where kids' recordings (music and storytelling CDs) were primarily reviewed by kids. They give a very fresh perspective on *everything,* and they didn't have an agenda. wink.gif

Very nice thoughts.

When I said a "canon", I essentially just meant a list of recommendations that has stood the test of time. In other words, a book that came out last year might merit a recommendation, but objectively lacks what The Giver or The Book of the Dun Cow has: testimony which spans time and exceeds the length of our collective foolish fashions. (I am first in line there... I've sung the praises of so much dreck in my time!) The only differences between a canon (yeesh, whadda hifalootin' word, goshdarnit wink.gif ) and somebody's opinion are a) it's collective, and b ) it's time-tested.

Frankly, I think we differ on the usefulness of comments. What I look for is a sort of introduction, or general prefatory comments, which help me to trust the person writing. (Trust is the key concept underlying everything here.) Once I've gotten to trust them, though, I really just want a list of titles and where I can find them. I can read the first chapter to evaluate the book.

But I think you've really hit on something when you say that we mustn't lose sight of children's perspectives on these books. Does it seem low for me to wonder, now, whether Joe Bottum has any kids? His bio doesn't give us any clues, other than that it's not too late. wink.gif

(One thing that I constantly bemoan is that my current circumstances have largely divorced me from interaction with kids. I'm not yet married; my younger brothers and sisters are more than an hour away; and I do not have a church community where many families come week after week. ... All right, enough irrelevant personal details.)

Edit: I'm flattered that you think I should write to Bottum; the thought had occurred to me, but I'm reluctant to speak out against someone so much better-read than I am.
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