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Alan Thomas
Story here...
Clint M
Sounds interesting. I wonder how Moore will react if it gets a wider release?
Alan Thomas
Good question -- I watched the trailer and it looks like just another "Young Republicans" feature, but we'll see. It uses Moore's tactic from Roger & Me (trying to get an interview) as its basis. Its bumper-sticker title isn't going to help it any, that's for sure.
Peter T Chattaway
Is this the film being made by that guy who used to work for Michael Moore?

. . . increasingly the most trenchant rejections of the bloated narcissist come from his ideological comrades on the Left. Sometimes, indeed, they come from his former colleagues. Alan Edelstein, a producer of Moore's television show The Awful Truth, was suddenly downsized out of a job, just like those General Motors workers in Flint. So, just like Moore, he decided to stalk the boss for a turning-the-tables documentary on why the television star had put him out on the street.

Moore was not amused. He complained to the NYPD, got Edelstein thrown in jail for a day, and had a restraining order slapped on him. Here's how it read: "The defendant knowingly entered and remained unlawfully in a building with intent to harass, annoy and harm ... a course of conduct which alarmed and seriously annoyed another person."

Hang on. Isn't that Michael Moore's biographical entry from The Encyclopedia of Motion Pictures? Ah, well. In the journey from Flint to the Upper West Side, people evolve. If they ever remake Roger and Me, he'll make a great Roger.


Or is this yet ANOTHER film that turns Moore's tricks back upon him?
Overstreet

Check out the new trailer.

That's one funny piece of work. Can't wait to see the movie.
Peter T Chattaway
Not sure what I make of the fact that the trailer seems to include a number of scenes from the publicity tour for the film ... or were they publicizing the film before it was made?
Nezpop
Interesting quote about Moore being so skilled as to be able to distort the truth with just the facts. But you could say that about a lot of pundits-including some of Moore's opponents. Very curious to see this one.
finnegan
I just saw this movie (via Netflix) and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a right-wing novelty film a la Celsius 41.11, but Michael Wilson is actually not the right wing wacko I read about in Michael Moore interviews.

My pithy review.

In the interest of full disclosure, here is my overly generous review of Bowling for Columbine from 2002... Hindsight is 20/20.
theoddone33
QUOTE(finnegan @ Oct 23 2005, 03:03 PM)
In the interest of full disclosure, here is my overly generous review of Bowling for Columbine from 2002... Hindsight is 20/20.
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The review of BfC seemed to treat the film properly and I'm curious what you would take back and why. I'm hoping people's opinions of Bowling for Columbine haven't changed because of all the ridiculousness surrounding Fahrenheit 9/11.
finnegan
QUOTE(theoddone33 @ Oct 26 2005, 05:03 AM)
The review of BfC seemed to treat the film properly and I'm curious what you would take back and why.  I'm hoping people's opinions of Bowling for Columbine haven't changed because of all the ridiculousness surrounding Fahrenheit 9/11.
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That Daily Texan archive doesn't have the star ratings--I gave Columbine 4 out of 5, which in retrospect, I don't beleive it deserved. It's just one of those films that I changed my mind about after writing the review. It's by no means terrible. It's just not good--and certainly did not deserve an Oscar over Spellbound and Daughter from Danang.

The point where Columbine really "jumps the shark" IMO is the Heston interview and the picture of the girl in the driveway. Lame!

Plus, I just hate reading old reviews. They are often painful to read.
theoddone33
QUOTE(finnegan @ Oct 26 2005, 11:56 AM)
The point where Columbine really "jumps the shark" IMO is the Heston interview and the picture of the girl in the driveway. Lame!
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On this, I definitely agree. I just found the text of your old review to be quite reasonable. I like most of BfC quite a bit, though I'm sure you're right that it didn't deserve the Oscar.
Peter T Chattaway
Do we want a new thread for EVERY film that takes aim at Michael Moore? Probably not, but if so, I'm game...

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Michael & Them: Filmmakers Chase Moore
MICHAEL MOORE, who carries around controversy the way Paul Bunyan toted an ax, has won legions of fans for being a ball-cap-wearing fly in the ointment of Republican politics. For tweaking the documentary form. Even for making millions of dollars in the traditionally poverty-stricken genre of nonfiction film.
Many despise him for the same reasons.
The Toronto-based documentary filmmakers Rick Caine and Debbie Melnyk started out in the first camp. But during the course of making an unauthorized film about Mr. Moore they wound up somewhere in between. In the process, their experience has added a twist to the long-running story of an abrasive social critic who has frequently been criticized from the right, but far less often, as is the case with Ms. Melnyk and Mr. Caine, from his own end of the political spectrum. . . .
"We didn't want to refute anything," Ms. Melnyk said. "We just wanted to take a look at Michael Moore and his films. It was only by talking to people that we found out this other stuff."
In part the "stuff" amounts to a catalog of alleged errors -- both of omission and commission -- in Mr. Moore's films, beginning with his 1989 debut, "Roger & Me." That film largely revolved around Mr. Moore's fruitless attempts to interview Roger Smith, then the chairman of General Motors, after his company closed plants in Mr. Moore's birthplace, Flint, Mich.: an interview that occurred, Ms. Melnyk and Mr. Caine said, although Mr. Moore left it on the cutting-room floor.
"I'm still a big proponent of 'Roger & Me,' especially for its importance in American documentary making," said John Pierson, the longtime producers' representative who helped sell the film to Warner Brothers and now teaches at the University of Texas in Austin. "But it was disheartening to see some of the material in Debbie and Rick's film. I wouldn't say I was crushed. I'm too old to be crushed. But my students were."
Calling the Melnyk-Caine film "unbelievably fair," Mr. Pierson said it asks what really matters in nonfiction filmmaking: Should all documentary-making be considered subjective and ultimately manipulative, or should the viewer be able to believe what he or she sees? "I found it encouraging," he said, "that my students were dumbstruck."
Mr. Pierson and students in his advanced producing class have even made a project out of promoting "Manufacturing Dissent" (a title that echoes "Manufacturing Consent," the 1992 Mark Achbar and Peter Wintonick film about Noam Chomsky). They have helped to publicize the Austin premiere with slogans that include: "Michael Moore doesn't like documentaries. That's why he doesn't make them." And "It's never been so hard to get Michael Moore in front of a camera." . . .
New York Times, February 25
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