Spoon
Sep 22 2004, 09:11 AM
This may be the only new show I'm excited about but I'm very excited about it. So is:
Herc from aint it cool
CrimsonLine
Sep 22 2004, 09:50 AM
I'm bummed that it's on opposite Smallville. I'm taping one and watching t'other.
Mark
Sep 22 2004, 10:03 AM
Since the WB cancelled Angel, I thought Wednesday nights would be TV free and I'd catch up on my reading. Then ABC goes and screws up my plan by airing what looks like the best show of the new season. Dang!
BethR
Sep 22 2004, 10:34 AM
It's on tonight--Wednesday--right? Then I didn't miss it!
David Fury, formerly of Angel and Buffy is on the writing crew.
Clint M
Sep 22 2004, 10:37 AM
The early version of the pilot was leaked over the internet. The reviews? Nothing but praise. Most people think this is J.J. Abrams' best work since the first couple of seasons of Alias.
You can add another Whedonverse alumni, BethR. Daniel Dae Kim plays a role in the series.
Spoon
Sep 23 2004, 10:35 AM
from zap2it.com:
"ABC's new drama "Lost" premiered to a surprisingly strong 11.6/19, dominating the 8 p.m. hour."
That is very exciting! It's hard to find quality shows that don't get cancelled after about 6 episodes. I'm glad to see this one will probably be around for a while
Darrel Manson
Sep 23 2004, 10:44 AM
I think it would have profitted from a 2 hour premiere; just barely enough time to begin to identify a few of the survivors. Only a bare minimum of plot set up. But then Alias also took some time to develop. It will be interesting to see if Nielsons will stay up the next few weeks.
SZPT
Sep 23 2004, 11:01 AM
I was one of those who watched it last night. Not sure how long they can keep the storyline interesting, but I'm interested enough to find out.
Baal_T'shuvah
Sep 23 2004, 11:19 AM
I also enjoyed this. Very well produced ( I read $5 million was used just for the premiere). My one worry... the "thing" in the jungle. I hope they don't try to milk that for too long.
BethR
Sep 23 2004, 11:30 AM
| QUOTE (Darrel Manson @ Sep 23 2004, 11:43 AM) |
| I think it would have profitted from a 2 hour premiere; just barely enough time to begin to identify a few of the survivors. Only a bare minimum of plot set up. But then Alias also took some time to develop. It will be interesting to see if Nielsons will stay up the next few weeks. |
I've been told that the first two episodes will be re-run on Oct. 2 (Sat.), starting at 8, for those who want to wait and see how a 2-hour premiere might look.
Or if you missed the first episode, you can catch it then, if my informant is correct.
Mark
Sep 23 2004, 11:54 AM
| QUOTE (Darrel Manson @ Sep 23 2004, 10:43 AM) |
| I think it would have profitted from a 2 hour premiere; just barely enough time to begin to identify a few of the survivors. Only a bare minimum of plot set up. |
One of my complaints, too. That, plus the fact that so much was revealed in the previews that there were no real surprises last night. Also wasn't crazy about the "perfect" Matthew Fox character. (He's a doctor! He's a pilot! He's a handsome doctor-pilot! He's mastered the art of driving fear from his mind in a mere FIVE SECONDS!!) But I'm intrigued enough to watch again.
One other complaint (I must be in a picky mood today) .... I really hope they try to make the cast of characters a bit more diverse. I mean, there were no elderly people on board who survived? In fact, no one over 30 except the guy sucking on an orange peel? No one, aside from the overweight guy with the funky hair, who
doesn't look like an Abercrombie & Fitch model? No PROFESSOR AND MARY ANN?? I know they're going for a certain demographic, but I'd really like to see a more "real" cast of characters.
I know, I know, it's only the first episode, and there might be characters lurking in the forest we haven't met yet. I hope it doesn't turn out that Fox and the foxy chick who sewed him up are the centerpiece of the show every week.
On the upside, I loved Dominic Monaghan's character. How could you not?
SZPT
Sep 23 2004, 12:22 PM
| QUOTE (Mark @ Sep 23 2004, 11:53 AM) |
| Also wasn't crazy about the "perfect" Matthew Fox character. (He's a doctor! He's a pilot! He's a handsome doctor-pilot! He's mastered the art of driving fear from his mind in a mere FIVE SECONDS!!) |
I'm kinda guessing that his character flaw might be alcoholism.
As I am guessing that the character flaw for Dominic Monaghan's "Charlie" is substance abuse of some sort.
Also, I wonder as the series progresses if Jorge Garcia will be losing weight since his character would be doing such if stuck on a deserted island.
Ann D.
Sep 23 2004, 01:04 PM
| QUOTE (Mark @ Sep 23 2004, 11:53 AM) |
On the upside, I loved Dominic Monaghan's character. How could you not? |
Heh. This was actually the only reason I tuned in last night, to satisfy some silly fangirly need. I was really expecting a primetime soap opera, similar to ER. And it may end up that way, though I hope the sci-fi aspect of the show is enough to keep it in check.
The one diva (who wouldn't eat the chocolate bar) is going to get on my nerves, though, really quick. I only saw five minutes of her, but it was enough.
This one may be worth watching each week.
Diane
Sep 23 2004, 01:36 PM
Caught most of this last night. Don't sweat it, mpfan, I wanted to see Merry, too!
| QUOTE (Mark) |
| Also wasn't crazy about the "perfect" Matthew Fox character. (He's a doctor! He's a pilot! He's a handsome doctor-pilot! He's mastered the art of driving fear from his mind in a mere FIVE SECONDS!!) |
Heh. Agreed—quite annoying. OF COURSE he knows how to do everything! (Insert serious eye-rolling here.) Clearly, he is the Professor of this group. And how long did it take him to make a connection with Kate? Hmmm...Jack and Kate? Screenwriters, you are too close to season two of 24! There are a million other names; get original!
I was hoping they'd run across an old, broken-down "Jurassic Park" sign.
Did next week's preview show Kate in a bikini? Didn't take them very long to go there, did it?
Wow, your picky mood is rubbing off on me, Mark.
Spoon
Sep 23 2004, 01:43 PM
| QUOTE (Diane @ Sep 23 2004, 01:35 PM) |
| QUOTE (Mark) | | Also wasn't crazy about the "perfect" Matthew Fox character. (He's a doctor! He's a pilot! He's a handsome doctor-pilot! He's mastered the art of driving fear from his mind in a mere FIVE SECONDS!!) |
Did next week's preview show Kate in a bikini? Didn't take them very long to go there, did it?
|
Fox's character will have some serious issues. Perfect characters are not interesting and JJ knows that.
and, bikini? It was a bathing suit yes but very unrevealing.
Stop picking!

i loved the first 10 minutes. very intense. and the funny bits were few but very fun. charlie trying to get jack to remember the song from his band was hilarious.
Ann D.
Sep 23 2004, 01:43 PM
| QUOTE (Diane @ Sep 23 2004, 01:35 PM) |
I was hoping they'd run across an old, broken-down "Jurassic Park" sign. |
Ha! That would have been great!
Diane
Sep 23 2004, 01:49 PM
| QUOTE (Spoon @ Sep 23 2004, 01:42 PM) |
and, bikini? It was a bathing suit yes but very unrevealing.
|
Didn't see it for myself. Only heard about it. I stand corrected.
| QUOTE (Spoon) |
| charlie trying to get jack to remember the song from his band was hilarious. |
Now THAT was quite funny.
| QUOTE (Spoon) |
Stop picking!  |
If my criticisms didn't make it clear, you should know that I am dedicated to shows of a much higher intellectual nature—like
Survivor.
Mark
Sep 23 2004, 01:54 PM
| QUOTE (Diane @ Sep 23 2004, 01:35 PM) |
And how long did it take him to make a connection with Kate? Hmmm...Jack and Kate? Screenwriters, you are too close to season two of 24! There are a million other names; get original!
|
Ha! Yeah, "Jack" is the new "black," isn't it? I guess it's one of those names that sounds masculine and is easy to yell across a beach or dark, foreboding forest ... "
Jack? Jack, is that you? JAAAAAAAAAAA-CK!!!!" When I was a kid it seemed like every private eye on TV was named Mike. Now all the hero-hunks are "Jack".
Sorry, Spoon, I'll stop nitpicking now.
And I agree that Charlie singing his song was pretty darn funny.
Darrel Manson
Sep 23 2004, 02:11 PM
I would expect that they're going to have to thin the ranks a bit in a hurry; 40 some people will just be too much. Hopefully the monster will choke on a chick bone when it's down to a managable number.
Yes, the Fox character is set up for alcoholism. One of the things I've heard of the show is that there are ongoing revelations about the characters. Has he lost his license? Why was he not cut out to be a pilot? Is he really this competent or did he stay at Holiday Inn Express the night before the flight?
SZPT
Sep 23 2004, 06:31 PM
| QUOTE (Spoon) |
| and, bikini? It was a bathing suit yes but very unrevealing. |
From where I was standing it looked like bra and panties. Or maybe that's my assumption, thinking that they will try to maintain a sense of realism.
Darrel Manson
Sep 23 2004, 07:11 PM
So how many Alias folk are on this trip? I noted two, the pilot (now free to go back to the CIA, and the guy who is such a pain in the butt in the CIA, who is just a silent bald guy so far on the island. Any others? Also, was Abrams also involved with Felicity? It seems to have many connections to Alias as well.
Mark
Sep 24 2004, 08:01 AM
| QUOTE (Darrel Manson @ Sep 23 2004, 07:10 PM) |
| Also, was Abrams also involved with Felicity? It seems to have many connections to Alias as well. |
Yup, Abrams created and produced Felicity. The guy who played the pilot in the Lost premiere was "Ben"'s roommate on Felicity. There were probably other connections I missed.
The silent bald guy (same one who appeared to be sucking on an orange peel when he smiled at Kate) -- he's Terry O'Quinn, a really good character actor. Wasn't aware he's on Alias, but he's listed as a regular in Lost. He's also done roles in The X-Files and its spinoff, Millenium. (And he was the original Stepfather in that slasher series.)
DanBuck
Sep 24 2004, 08:32 AM

(but only predictions, so maybe I'm wrong)
(by the way, I thought the show kicked butt, and a great cast! That Kate is a fine actress)
The monster: Good God, what could that poossibly be that wouldn't be a horribly tired cliche'. I don't know if you guys cauht it but there was a throw away line in the background "That sound was somewhat familiar." "Where are you from?" "The bronx." Ugh, if its a big monkey... I'll be pissed. Maybe it's Mark Burnett responding to a leak about Survivor Winners!
Charlie - Yup, SZPT definately pegged it. He's snorting.
The bald guy from Alias - The most interesting of all the characters to me. If I had to guess. I think he might have a connection to Kate we have yet to see. Maybe he's her dad.
The dog: Hmmmm. Another very interesting one for me. But no theories here yet.
While the monster bugs me, I like the way Abrams trips along the edges of Sci-Fi. Maybe the island is alive somehow! Now, that would not be AS cliche'.
DanBuck
Sep 24 2004, 08:44 AM
mild

from TVtome.com
| QUOTE |
Stripped of everything, the 48 survivors scavenge what they can from the plane for their survival. Some panic. Some pin their hopes on rescue. A few find inner strength they never knew they had -- like Kate (Evangeline Lilly), who, with no medical training, suddenly finds herself suturing the doctor's wounds. Hurley (Jorge Garcia) – a man with a warm sense of humor despite the desperate situation – does his best to keep his cool as he helps those around him to survive. Charlie (Dominic Monaghan, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring trilogy) is a faded rock star who harbors a painful secret. Sayid (Naveen Andrews, The English Patient) is a Middle Eastern man who must wrestle with the racial profiling directed at him by some of his fellow survivors. Jin (Daniel Dae Kim, Spider-Man 2, 24) and Sun (Yunjin Kim) are a Korean couple whose traditions, values and language are foreign and thus causes much to get lost in the translation.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sawyer (Josh Holloway) has an air of danger surrounding him, and his intense sense of mistrust for everyone around him could prove to be fatal to his fellow castaways. Michael (Harold Perrineau, Oz) has just gained custody of his nine-year-old son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley, Antwone Fisher, You Got Served), after the death of his ex-wife – they are a father and son who don't even know each other. Locke (Terry O'Quinn, Alias, Primal Fear) is a mysterious man who keeps to himself, and who harbors a deeper connection to the island than any of the others. And self-centered Shannon (Maggie Grace, Oliver Beene) – who actually gives herself a pedicure amid the chaos – and her estranged controlling brother, Boone (Ian Somerhalder, Smallville) – constantly bicker and must learn to get along if they are to survive.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The band of friends, family, enemies and strangers must work together against the cruel weather and harsh terrain if they want to stay alive. But the island holds many secrets, including the intense howls of the mysterious creatures stalking the jungle, which fill them all with fear. Fortunately, thanks to the calm leadership of quick-thinking Jack and level-headed Kate, they have hope. But even heroes have secrets, as the survivors will come to learn.
|
And um... in the flashback - who was runnin away from the steward? Charlie - cuaght in the act?
DanBuck
Sep 24 2004, 08:47 AM

From a producer, interviewed on Sci-Fi Wire
Highlight to read
| QUOTE |
"We are hearing and seeing very odd occurrences, like a polar bear on the island. It may not come for a very long time, but certain information about the island will explain how things are possible. We'll try to root it in real science or real pseudo-science. There will be no mystical reason or an island of monsters. The island has been around for millennia, and many people have found themselves on it, and as far as we know, nobody has ever gotten off. There is also the possibility of others being on the island, they just haven't seen them yet. And we'll never know how big this island is. It could be enormous, but odd things will keep them from knowing the full length and breadth of it. It's an interesting little allegory. It will be very mysterious." |

Real pseudo-science?
Ann D.
Sep 24 2004, 09:27 AM
Was anyone else irritated with the herky-jerky camera motion in the crashed cockpit? I know it's supposed to be suspenseful, but I was beginning to get a headache. I hope they scale that back a little.
CrimsonLine
Sep 26 2004, 08:39 PM
Okay, so I was terrified.
Great job, JJ!
And why'd you have to kill off Weiss in the first episode??
DanBuck
Sep 28 2004, 07:37 AM
| QUOTE (crimsonline @ Sep 26 2004, 09:38 PM) |
And why'd you have to kill off Weiss in the first episode?? |
Because he's got taping to do on another set!
CrimsonLine
Sep 28 2004, 07:55 AM
I hope so. He's one of my favorite characters on Alias...
BethR
Sep 28 2004, 11:45 AM
Casting and title

only:
David Fury talks about the
upcoming episodes of LOST he's written.
Baal_T'shuvah
Sep 28 2004, 03:27 PM
If the following is true, then I find it interesting how many studio "suits" are completely out of touch with their audiences. Maybe the Disney stockholders should ask for a completely house cleaning, and not just Eisner's removal.
| QUOTE (IMDb) |
Did Iger Try To Block 'Lost'?
Disney President and COO Bob Iger, who is CEO Michael Eisner's choice to succeed him, was "furious" with former ABC Entertainment Chairman Lloyd Braun for greenlighting the pilot for Lost, which has become the biggest new hit of the season, the New York Post's "Page Six" column reported today (Tuesday), citing an unnamed source. "He hated the show -- he thought it was awful and was really angry the pilot cost $12 million. He got Michael Eisner on his side and fired Lloyd. But now the show is the biggest success ABC has had in a long time, so who's lost now?" the Post's source said. A spokesman for Disney called the report "ridiculous." |
By the way, wasn't Lloyd Braun the name of a character from Seinfeld... a rival of George, with a few loose screws?
Diane
Sep 28 2004, 03:33 PM
| QUOTE (Baal_T'shuvah @ Sep 28 2004, 03:26 PM) |
| By the way, wasn't Lloyd Braun the name of a character from Seinfeld... a rival of George, with a few loose screws? |
HA! Yes! Remember when Lloyd and George were in that computer-selling competition, and they worked inside Frank's garage? I think that's the "serenity now" episode.
Ann D.
Sep 28 2004, 04:03 PM
I disagree with the article calling it the biggest hit just yet. I'm inclined to wait until after the second part of the pilot and we really start getting into the backstories of the characters and the island itself. It could still take a ratings nosedive. If it has staying power, that's when I'll agree it's the biggest hit.
Baal_T'shuvah
Sep 28 2004, 06:53 PM
| QUOTE (Diane @ Sep 28 2004, 01:32 PM) |
| I think that's the "serenity now" episode. |
Yep, Diane, that was the episode. I think he was in another episode where he and Kramer were running an old movie palace, and Lloyd became fixated on Elaine, leading to another one of his breakdowns.
Diane
Sep 29 2004, 01:14 PM
Edit: As Beth notes below, there is a bit of a SPOILER in this link (when you get to the character profiles). Sorry I didn't post a warning sooner.
USA Today talks about the show and provides a quick profile of each character.
BethR
Sep 29 2004, 02:08 PM
Do I need to say

? before saying...
So that explains the dog. Or does it?
Diane
Sep 29 2004, 02:26 PM
Good point, Beth. I noticed that, too. Guess I should have added a spoiler tag to my post. I'll go back and do that. Seriously, though, that's an easy enough way to explain that plot device, no? Seems too easy after all the mysterious build-up.
DanBuck
Sep 29 2004, 06:39 PM
My hunch is that the island has some strange relationship with animal life, so perhaps the old dog won't be what he used to be.
CrimsonLine
Sep 29 2004, 08:19 PM
So it's not a dinosaur, which is the most obvious answer. What is it then? The producers have said nothing mystical, which rules out a dragon, I guess. King Kong? The recapper on
TWOP says it's the Iron Giant

I say something mechanical, big and mean. But NOT the Iron Giant! He's a good guy, like Superman!!
SZPT
Sep 29 2004, 09:23 PM
| QUOTE (crimsonline) |
I say something mechanical, big and mean. But NOT the Iron Giant! He's a good guy, like Superman!!  |
Suuu-per-maaan.
OK, having watched the second installment of LOST tonight, I am definitely hooked big time.
I haven't been this 'wow'ed by a series in a good while.
Baal_T'shuvah
Sep 29 2004, 11:23 PM
OK, someone please IM me as to what happened in the last 5 minutes... I got a phone call I couldn't ignore, just as the transceiver was receiving a voice speaking French... I caught nothing after that, except the previews for next weeks episode.

Got my answer... Thank You, SZPT
SZPT
Sep 30 2004, 12:27 AM
| QUOTE (Baal_T'shuvah) |
OK, someone please IM me as to what happened in the last 5 minutes... I got a phone call I couldn't ignore, just as the transceiver was receiving a voice speaking French... I caught nothing after that, except the previews for next weeks episode.  |
I just sent you my best remembered re-cap.
Mark
Sep 30 2004, 08:06 AM
| QUOTE (SZPT @ Sep 29 2004, 09:22 PM) |
OK, having watched the second installment of LOST tonight, I am definitely hooked big time.
I haven't been this 'wow'ed by a series in a good while. |
Same here. Now I see why I was underwhelmed by the first episode, because it was actually shot as a two-hour pilot ... I wish ABC had aired the whole thing at once, because it definitely had the fear factor I was hoping for by the end of last night's episode.
Ann D.
Sep 30 2004, 08:10 AM
| QUOTE (Mark @ Sep 30 2004, 08:05 AM) |
| QUOTE (SZPT @ Sep 29 2004, 09:22 PM) | OK, having watched the second installment of LOST tonight, I am definitely hooked big time.
I haven't been this 'wow'ed by a series in a good while. |
Same here. Now I see why I was underwhelmed by the first episode, because it was actually shot as a two-hour pilot ... I wish ABC had aired the whole thing at once, because it definitely had the fear factor I was hoping for by the end of last night's episode.
|
I agree completely. This is much better than what I originally thought it would be.
Definitely on my "must-see" list.
BethR
Sep 30 2004, 08:55 AM
| QUOTE (Mark @ Sep 30 2004, 09:05 AM) |
| Now I see why I was underwhelmed by the first episode, because it was actually shot as a two-hour pilot ... I wish ABC had aired the whole thing at once, because it definitely had the fear factor I was hoping for by the end of last night's episode. |
Anyone who missed part 1 or part 2, or who wants to get an idea of how effective a 2-hr pilot might have been, can catch repeat of LOST eps. 1 & 2 on Saturday at 8-10 p.m. Eastern/Pacific time.
Diane
Sep 30 2004, 08:55 AM
Yep, I agree, too. The big handcuff reveal last night? Excellent. I'm happy that we're getting to know more about these folks; last night's episode seemed more like ensemble work instead of a star vehicle for the good doctor. Next week's preview looked very good.
But the big moral of the story? Pipeweed: The Gateway Drug.
(sorry!)
Darrel Manson
Oct 2 2004, 10:59 AM
The big question I had after episode 2 (

for those who are going to be watching the 2 hour version):
The looping message in French. The real question for me isn't is there someone else there, but what kind of power supply is running the transciever sending out the message all these years?
Ann D.
Oct 2 2004, 11:24 AM
My biggest question is this... when Jack and the others return from the cockpit, they're asked if anyone was alive. He says "no", and Charlie and Kate give each other a conspiratorial look. But later, Boone asks if the polar bear was what killed the pilot. The others don't even blink an eye. Did I miss something? When did they find out, or was that an editing error?
SZPT
Oct 2 2004, 02:40 PM
| QUOTE (mpfan @ Oct 2 2004, 11:23 AM) |
My biggest question is this... when Jack and the others return from the cockpit, they're asked if anyone was alive. He says "no", and Charlie and Kate give each other a conspiratorial look. But later, Boone asks if the polar bear was what killed the pilot. The others don't even blink an eye. Did I miss something? When did they find out, or was that an editing error? |
Oooh, good catch! I didn't even notice that till you mentioned it. Bad editing or bad writing. There may have been a scene cut where they expounded on what "alive" meant to them at the time, or it may have been assumed that the others would naturally be told the details at some point. But that isn't how the audience likes it done, so good catch.
DanBuck
Oct 2 2004, 04:15 PM
Yeah I noticed that too. And although it was a jerky editing problem. I was glad to be spared the telling of the tale. I saw it happen the first time.
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