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  1. http://www.transpositions.co.uk/2012/10/introducing-the-christianity-film-symposium/ Since you guys are more about film than the other arts I thought you might be interested in the next series at Transpositions. Joe
  2. Another interesting article written by Mako. One of the questions asked talks about morality and art: 3. “Strict moralism has never produced good art.” referencing the paragraph about Mary and the perfumed oil being used on Jesus's feet. Seemed relevant since the idea of art and morals has come up in this discussion. Joe
  3. Thinking about this some more today. I also came across this article on NPR about Donna Summer, which I think is very relevant and right in line with something I was thinking about. I was contemplating why current art, music for instance, reaches so many more people than the classics. Why would I like Bon Jovi more than Bach? A lot of us who give this kind of thing a lot of thought easily dismiss it as "it's mindless" or "it's easy" or whatever. And I think in pop music's defense, yes it is easy and that is an important point. It is more relatable. That guy or girl up on stage could have be
  4. Which brings us back to my original question. I apologize for allowing myself to get side tracked. I did not mean for my involvement in this discussion to be about "This, not that". That's fine if others want to tread those trails. I've never had a problem with a thread I start developing into other branches. I just accept it as the nature of human communication, especially as exercised on the internet. Let's accept that first objective beauty as a natural basis shown to be real. the how may or may not be important, but we can work backwards for that a bit, I think. This unifying theory of
  5. No one here here is going to disparage the sentiment that you ought to praise God. However, adding "praise God" to the end of a dismissive statement does not let anyone off the hook for making the statement in the first place. "You're healthy, my arm just got cut off, praise God anyway!" "You went to Yale, I dropped out of highschool, praise God anyway!" "You believe this elevator is unsafe, I believe this elevator is perfectly safe, praise God anyway!" Theologically, there are still problems to be dealt with at the end of all four of the above sentences. i can't even begin t
  6. Which is why I am far more appreciative of the disparaged sentiment "You like Bach, I like Bon Jovi, praise God anyway!" Joe
  7. Well, if you didn't just illustrate the struggle for authority and power inherent to the argument over objective standards, I don't know how much more I can. All the same, re:art, it is usually one of two perspectives—the ones arguing for objective standards in art are almost always speaking out against someone's or several someones' art and usually trying to subvert any positive recognition that art has received. Or from the other side (the anarchist, if you will) the artist trying to subvert a society's accepted norms of beauty. There is a strong defense to be made that this kind of back
  8. Maybe. Or this may very well be the issue. There is a rationalist tendency to believe that if someone disagrees it is either because they misunderstood something along the way or they are not thinking it through thoroughly enough, otherwise everyone would reach the same conclusion. Particularly if objective standards do exist and are equally accessible and understandable by all. I just don't know how we can ever get outside our own subjective nature enough to be able to say "This is the objective beauty we were all striving for" with any kind of authority (there is that word again). Th
  9. BTW, thanks for chiming in on the "pro-objective standards" side. Personally, I would alter that first sentence a bit and say the true, good, and beautiful point toward as they come from the Divine. And for myself, just as God is more than I can know, so, too, is beauty. Not that it is unknowable, but that there is always more to know than I can know. But this quote seems to get to what I imagined, if there is no objective beauty or standards there is no civilized life or humanity. I actually kind of agree with that. But will we ever know enough to be able to define its borders, extrapolate
  10. I found this line problematic: "First, I think it should remind us not to devalue the very thing that we enjoy. Treating music as just a means to an emotional end makes listening a utilitarian, rather than artistic, pursuit." There are many artists, whole schools of art, who would say the primary reason for the existence of art is exactly that, emotion. So he might as well be saying "Using a hammer just to drive nails makes the hammer utilitarian". Joe
  11. I was trying not to assume much of anything other than I don't understand the benefit of quantifiable objective standards for beauty. One thing I do think we find in the Christian understanding of God is his ability to find beauty and value where no one else did (and sometimes wanting to destroy what went against a defined objective standard) or would expect, especially with people. I do think we are called to search for "scraps" of beauty in everything. I think that is an exhortation from Paul, is it not? What of the affect the viewer has on the art? Is the viewer only ever at the mercy
  12. Over at The Curator there is a recent article on music called "The Tyranny of Taste" It is another appeal to an objective quality and standard of beauty in art. While my opinion on this matter can be easily found here and on other forums (I personally think the cry for recognition and adherence to objective standards stems more from a fight for authority and control, and a bit of self-righteousness, than an actual search to understand beauty, beauty needs no defending), my question is why do so many people care? Let's say it is possible to clearly define and explain beauty in a manner tha
  13. Maybe it is the medium and the nature of a TV show, but even _Smash_ seems to have a somewhat accelerated pace for a NEW production (from script to stage). Joe
  14. Well, not all the local critics raved: http://www.artsatl.com/2012/04/review-“ghost-brothers”-soars-with-mellencamp’s-music-but-is-very-much-a-work-in-progress/ Joe
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    The police captain backstory is driving me nuts. The show intimated some over-arching behind the scenes plot, especially with the blond lawyer (or whatever she was) girl. Now it is just a ghost of a backstory. I wish they hadn't played it up so hard at the beginning and just let it unfold more slowly and casually. I kind of feel like they didn't have anything specific planned but wanted something to build organically, or they have decided they need to change what they planned. Either way, it is a promise as yet unfulfilled. They kind of seem to be resetting that story line in recent episode
  16. As someone who works primarily with choreographers, dancers, and dance companies, particularly modern dancers, this is an intriguing article. As someone from the south, it is a bit hard to sympathize with their perspective within the context of NYC (NYC folks can be such snobs and myopic sometimes), but they make some great points, particularly about timeless work and pursuing either a company or project based art. A Critics' Conversation Joe
  17. Well, the "blissful ignorance" comment wasn't serious, per se. I have no idea what the strolling smiley face guy is about. All I tried to put in was an old fashioned smiley emoticon. I guess all this fancy shmancy HTML stuff these days has no room for us old timers. But to your point, really the operative phrase there is ", and do it" as opposed to being scared even more and avoid doing it out of fear. So I suppose if God knows that us knowing what he wants us to do will actually work out to us doing it as opposed to frightening the bejebus out of us... well, I suppose it is all up to hi
  18. Gotcha. But to me, praying "I'm confused God, please help me in this process" is vastly different than asking "What is your will for me to do? Tell me." I dont think the latter is a valid question, because it presupposes that God specifically wants him to do one of those things and that your friend may somehow be able to know this information, even if God did. While it's true, the Bible does tell of God speaking to people about where to go to accomplish certain things, I dont think we can interpret this as the norm for day-to-day living. I dont mock and I admittedly still struggle with
  19. Some musings. I think most people are torn in this tension of free-will/predetermination. God loves us, so we have to have free will or the love isn't free. God loves us, so he has everything determined for us so that we can freely love him. We are stuck between being in process but afraid of mistakes along the way. But if God loves us why would he let us make mistakes? One of my favourite quotes, now, is from a recent episode of Once Upon a Time, "You know what the issue is with this world? Everyone wants some magic solution for their problem, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.”
  20. This is what I tell my daughter every time she complains about how I dress, then she has to take it up with God. Joe
  21. Sounds real familiar! Sometimes I'll give up sugar in an attempt to be "healthy". In the end I find being "happy" more compelling. My big change was finally giving in and getting a "real" coffee maker, the new Bonavita. After over 20 years of blissful coffee making ignorance I gave in and experimented with my daughter's french press. I've been roasting my own beans for almost a year (first with a popcorn popper and now with a Behmor) and constantly reading posts from these guys who spend hundreds (some even thousands) of dollars on brewers and grinders. I've travelled around the world and h
  22. I would hazard a guess that this is part of the problem, what this actually means—what is wrong with someone to begin with and a particular church's ideas on how you should be made whole. [edited to add] Sure. I could be wrong, but I suspect that what you mean by "returned to the church" and what she means is probably not all that much alike. But, like I said, I could be wrong. Joe
  23. Just want to say thanks for pointing out this blogsite. It has quickly become one of my favourites. As for this symposium in particular (right now they are doing an arts and missions series, which could either be interesting), once they got past Betty Spackman's post it slowly degenerated into some sort of, well, I'm not sure what. It was never quite clear what people were actually railing against. Is kitsch a mindset? Particular genre of work? Is it the work of the artist or the viewer? I never felt like anyone zeroed in on what was kitsch and what exactly was the issue. But I could have j
  24. Since Bethke's video has spurred conversation here as it has elsewhere. Joe
  25. Just to be clear, this is not my premise. I was just restating what I've heard argued, even from pastors. Particularly independent, non-denominational pastors. Joe
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