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Rob Z

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    Graduate student and literature/composition teacher, University of Oregon
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    Ordet, Chariots of Fire, The Tree of Life, Blade Runner, Tarkovsky
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    Wendell Berry, Marilynne Robinson, Dostoevsky, Thoreau, Dickinson, religious and environmental poetry

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  1. I totally hear you, Ken. I wish I had some tech expertise to offer--that would surely be more helpful than the editorial/proofreader stuff!
  2. Yes, thanks again, Ken! I agree that it would be helpful to have year and director but also that it looks much better in the gallery to only have the title. Could there be another page with just the 1-25 list that contained this information (basically what is at the beginning of this results thread with year and director)? That would deal with this issue, and address what I see as the most glaring omission—the list itself, in an easily readable form. At the top of each page, “List” could be added to Home, Gallery, and About with the link to that page. I love the click-advancing gallery with the blurbs, but a list like that would make the page much more user friendly. I think that list would be the appropriate place to link to the threads for the respective films in the forum (an idea I really like). Even better, perhaps that list could appear on the Gallery page (which currently just has pictures) in the form of captions under each picture that give the rank, the film title, director, and year. Those of us who have seen or at least been in on the discussion might get the hint as to what each photo refers to, but not someone who happens across the page due to interest in the topic. I think it would be a mistake to assume that anyone would find their way to the nominations or results thread in the forum, even if they wanted to. This is the spot. Those heading links do not appear at the top of the About page. It think it would be best to have them there to allow people to navigate within the site without having to rely on the browser’s back button. I know that clicking the title in the upper left also brings one back to Home, but the consistency would be nice, too. Speaking of consistency and that title in the upper left, it’s different in terms of line breaks on all three pages: Home has Arts & Faith Top 25: Growing Older About has Arts & Faith Top 25: Growing Older Gallery has Arts & Faith Top 25: Growing Older That last one (Gallery) is the one that looks best and makes most sense (3 lines of 2 prominent words each), and I think all of them should be changed to look like that. On the Home page, moving the cursor over the Gallery heading link reveals a drop down menu containing the words “Growing Older,” but if you click on that, it stays on the home page. Clicking the word “Gallery” obviously leads to the gallery. On the Gallery page, the text “(Click on a Photo for a description from A&F contributor)” should be subordinate (lower, smaller font) to the word “Gallery.” I’m not sure it needs to be in parentheses. Is there a reason why “Photo” is capitalized and not the other key words? I’d suggest “Click on a photo for a description and commentary from an Arts & Faith contributor. Click on the film’s title for a discussion of the film in the Arts & Faith film forum.” That would of course necessitate adding the rank, title, and ideally year and director to the gallery page, as mentioned above. Could there be a prominent link to the A&F home page? At the least, the “Artsandfaith.com” in the Our Mission section of the About page should be an active hyperlink. I still think that there should be a dedicated, aesthetically pleasing (like this one) A&F home page with links to the forum, Top 100 and 25 lists, ecumenical jury lists, etc. but that’s probably a project for another time. Some of these are quibbles; some are more substantive. I have used templates like this in the past and I know they can be very tricky, but if these changes are possible, I think that the consistency and additions would improve the site a lot.
  3. Shoot, I'm just checking in after some days, and I'm in the same boat. I likewise am still teaching for another couple weeks before summer, so it's been backburner, but I'll get to this asap. The site and the gallery look great! I can't wait to read everyone's comments on the films.
  4. Thanks indeed to everyone who worked on this, especially Ken. Very interesting to see this ranking! I'm not surprised to see that the 5 films overlapping with the A&F Top 100 ended up so high for the most part (1, 3, 4, 7, 18). And Late Spring at #2 was #47 on the 2010 Top 100 list, before the 3 films per director parameter was added. The finalist film I was saddest to see cut was The Old Man and the Sea. It very much is about consolidating memories in old age, like Brian mentioned as a thematic here--dreaming of the lions he saw in Africa, working before the mast as a child, the epic arm-wrestling contest. I'd hope an essay on that could bring in such films that didn't make the final cut. But the one I was most surprised to see cut was Synecdoche, New York. It's not a film I particularly like or agree with in terms of its worldview, but it's a very good film that is spot on thematically in terms of depicting growing older. I'd love to contribute an essay on The Man Who Planted Trees, but I have a lot on my plate in the next year, so don't let me be the deciding factor in whether a book happens or not. If the book happens, I'd certainly WANT to contribute, but that's all I can commit to at this point.
  5. Thanks for this discussion, Andrew, Ken, Brian, et al. It's been helpful in thinking about these issues of representation that we find problematic. There has certainly been some "growing up" the film industry has had to do in terms of what it finds acceptable to portray and in what ways...not that everything has necessarily gotten better or that there aren't still huge problems with representation... As I make my final ranking, I am tempted just to leave the small handful of films I feel that I've seen but ambivalent about in the "unranked" column. I'm hesitant to rank them ahead of films that seem worthier but that I haven't seen. I like the fact that our unranked/unseen films will still receive some points in this system. Is it the case that the only directors with two films on this current list are Varda and Ozu? I know we should just let the original method/parameters determine the list, but I wouldn't mind including only one from each director. The blurb could mention the other film that got fewer points as another worthy film on the theme by the same director. Oh well. It's much easier to compare films that are more thematically alike (like the "aging parent(s) and their child(ren)" films) than those that cover aging over longer periods vs focused on a short time in older age, an individual vs. a couple or a group, etc.
  6. The Straight Story also has 7. There may be others...
  7. I think we got this exactly right. The former films seem more on theme to me and the latter ones all more "spiritually significant" which I take to be defining feature, albeit one that can be interpreted in many ways, of the Top 100. Likewise, each of these films seems more Top 100 appropriate, except probably Mr. Lazerescu. I definitely feel good about the prospects for a new Top 100 based on the community's activity with this list. I look forward to participating.
  8. When you mentioned this, I remembered that someone had posted a spreadsheet a while back (after the Top 25 on Mercy) that had all films that had ever been on an A&F list. Glancing through that, and including this list and Waking Up, it looks like Tokyo Story and Wild Strawberries are the only ones with 7 instances. Both have been on all five Top 100 lists and two Top 25s.
  9. I'd also like to have till the end of the month in order to watch a few more before ranking them.
  10. Yes, I love this list! I do wish a few more of my top picks that featured women had made it (or just any few more that didn't skew male or couple in focus). My top 2 choices to write blurbs on would be 1. The Man Who Planted Trees 2. The Old Man and the Sea  (The animated shorts, I know...) I think it's important to have a separate page, like all the previous Top 25s had. That would make it much more usable than a forum thread. Weren't the Top 25s always in the sidebar on this page? Okay, I googled for those lists and found them here http://artsandfaith.com/t100/25_memory.html That's the Memory list with the others in the sidebar. It looks like the Mercy and Waking Up lists are only on the Image website. Could those pages (or their content, at any rate) be transferred back to A&F so that they are all in one place? Doing that would make these lists a far more usable resource. At a minimum, those lists should have a separate page with a link to the already existing list at Image. Or at Transpositions more recently. I think that A&F really needs a public-facing Home page with a greeting/welcome and brief explanation of A&F as a community. The Forums could be a link from there, as could the Top 100 and themed Top 25 lists and yearly Ecumenical Jury lists. And A&F would be a great place to host a list of film review websites that are done by the members here. That's another page that could link from the new A&F Home page.
  11. I see this one still isn't seconded, and I'm afraid I won't have the time to prioritize catching up with this one in the next couple days, but I've read the novel, and the story would certainly be a good fit for the list. There's one chapter late in the book where Isabel reflects back on her life--where she really gets it as to where she went wrong, and how she's been betrayed--that's crucial in the novel, but it all takes place in her head. She's just sitting in a room. I've always wondered how that would be filmed.
  12. As I've caught up with more films on the nominations list, I'm feeling more and more like this should be a list of films about the process of aging but with a heavy emphasis on the second half of life. That might be elderhood, but it might also be negotiating the onset of that second half of life, middle age. And that very much includes a film like Persuasion since Anne Elliot would have been considered an "old maid" in her time though only in her late 20s. Or a film like While We're Young that takes that middle age vantage to look at the interactions between both younger and older generations. I'd love to see a more focused list in that regard, and save Coming of Age Films and Films about Children/Childhood to be separate lists for the future.
  13. Excellent pick, Ken! This particular film is my preferred adaptation of the story as well.
  14. Films I'm tempted to nominate but don't plan to because it's been too long since I've seen it, even though it's good in terms of quality and fit for the theme: The Savages because the film's lacking in quality despite a good fit for the theme: Hook because it's an okay fit for the theme but is truly a better fit for "coming of age" than "growing older": The Graduate because it's a fine film for what it is, fits the theme, but is somehow too vapid (or perhaps lacks "spiritual significance" even broadly understood, even though I haven't been considering that as an essential criterium): City Slickers I'd put When Harry Met Sally in that last category, too, thinking of Billy Crystal films, but honestly a lot of the films on the nominations list fall into one of these categories for me.
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