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That, and it became way too fixated on Jenna's deviancy. Which before had always been kind of goofy, but became just kind of gross in the latter half of last season.

But it has always been in a mocking way...the whole character is a parody of the Hollywood/Diva out of touch with reality stereotype. It is never approving of her deviancy.


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That, and it became way too fixated on Jenna's deviancy. Which before had always been kind of goofy, but became just kind of gross in the latter half of last season.

But it has always been in a mocking way...the whole character is a parody of the Hollywood/Diva out of touch with reality stereotype. It is never approving of her deviancy.

I'd agree, but it's part of a larger tendency on the show to joke about pornography. Those jokes now permeate pop culture. I guess I'm uptight. I find porn nothing to laugh about. I think it's genuinely destructive in human relationships, and a hugely distorting factor in how younger people form impressions of the opposite sex. I was brought up to think porn is something I might struggle with but something I should fight against. Now it's culturally acceptable to joke about it. I don't think that's progress.

Sorry to rant. I do like 30 Rock. I just could live without those particular jokes, and think the show would be better without them.


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That, and it became way too fixated on Jenna's deviancy. Which before had always been kind of goofy, but became just kind of gross in the latter half of last season.

But it has always been in a mocking way...the whole character is a parody of the Hollywood/Diva out of touch with reality stereotype. It is never approving of her deviancy.

In the earlier seasons, I think the show did a good job of parodying Jenna as a Hollywood diva type through a variety of methods (e.g., her constant pursuit of other projects like The Rural Juror). However, now it seems to be all about her sexual deviancy, and while it's portrayed as silly and foolish, it's portrayed all the time. Or, to put it another way, 30 Rock disapproves of her deviancy even as it makes her character about nothing but the deviancy.

As a result, the character of Jenna has become a one-joke character, and an already shallow character has become even shallower -- and less funny as a result.


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As a result, the character of Jenna has become a one-joke character, and an already shallow character has become even shallower -- and less funny as a result.

I agree with this.

In truth, I think all the characters are starting to wear thin, except for Jack.

Which reminds me: Was no one else amused by the episode that had Jack falling for Avery's mom, played by Mary Steenburgen? I thought their banter was pretty funny.


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As a result, the character of Jenna has become a one-joke character, and an already shallow character has become even shallower -- and less funny as a result.

I agree with this.

In truth, I think all the characters are starting to wear thin, except for Jack.

Which reminds me: Was no one else amused by the episode that had Jack falling for Avery's mom, played by Mary Steenburgen? I thought their banter was pretty funny.

I liked their interactions quite a bit.

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Just watched last night's live episode -- on nbc.com, hours after the episode aired! -- and thought it was great.

I watched the East Coast broadcast. The West Coast broadcast is also available at the site. Anyone know whether the second live episode is distinct enough to merit watching?


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Just watched last night's live episode -- on nbc.com, hours after the episode aired! -- and thought it was great.

I watched the East Coast broadcast. The West Coast broadcast is also available at the site. Anyone know whether the second live episode is distinct enough to merit watching?

A couple of the cameos are different, but I'm told it largely plays the same.

I loved the episode, which surprises me-- I did not care for the first live episode, and have only half-watched the current season of the show. But this one worked so well-- all of the cameos were hilarious, but the aboslute highlight, for me, was Donald Glover's hysterial impression of a young Tracy Jordan.


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Just watched last night's live episode -- on nbc.com, hours after the episode aired! -- and thought it was great.

I watched the East Coast broadcast. The West Coast broadcast is also available at the site. Anyone know whether the second live episode is distinct enough to merit watching?

There were a few differences, but nothing really major:

Kim Kardashian instead of Paul McCartney; she makes a Twitter joke at the end

Cheyenne Jackson sings theme instead of Jane Krakowski; mentions draft, 49ers took AJ Jenkins

The "gay doctor," not Nazi doctor; present-day doctor commercial had a few different jokes, too

In the Laugh In sketch, Baldwin was Charles Nelson Reilly (I think) instead of Nixon

Brian Williams played David Brinkley instead of Jon Hamm

The west coast audience seemed less enthusiastic, too.


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Grrrr! I noticed in the paper that the show's final season premiere would begin at 8 p.m. Eastern, thought, "Hey, I'm home tonight with nothing to do, so I'll watch it," but just realized it's 8:15 and I've been on the computer in the home office for 30 minutes. Drat.

Thank goodness for streaming, but not until tomorrow.


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I'm reading tweets that 30 Rock ended tonight. And I still have to watch last week's episode! (I think.)

How'd THAT happen?


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Ah, thanks!


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Dang finale snuck up on me. And I'm now three episodes behind! Do I watch the finale first, then catch up?


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The last few episodes have been more serialized than the show usually is, and there were some major plot points. You might be a little lost if you watch the finale without them.


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WHY DOES TYLER ALWAYS RUIN MY EVENING PLANS???


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Dang finale snuck up on me. And I'm now three episodes behind! Do I watch the finale first, then catch up?

Have an epic marathon tonight. Watch all of them right before the finale.

A life update, from Christian:

In 2002, my first daughter was born.

In 2004, my second daughter was born.

In 2006, my first son was born.

In 2008, my second son was born.

What does this tell you about my evening plans?

GET YOUR MINDS OUT OF THE GUTTER, people! What I mean is, I'll be getting kids ready for bed after dinner. There's no time for 30 Rock marathons before the final episode airs.

I trust those with children will understand, and sympathize.

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That sounds perfect.


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Here's what happened. At the dinner table, my wife blurted out, "So, '30 Rock' marathon tonight?"

Yes!

We left the kids to do the dishes and get ready for bed while we headed downstairs to watch the previous three episodes online. I'd actually seen the third-to-last episode, but Sarah hadn't. It was funnier the second time around! The other two episodes were OK.

The boys, of course, had trouble executing the plan of getting ready for bed themselves, but they did accomplish the task 20 minutes late, with next to no supervision from us.

The final episode(s) was (were) pretty good.

At 9 p.m., we put on Deadwood and discovered after the final episode of disc 5 that disc 6 has only supplemental material! So we finished Deadwood the same night we finished 30 Rock!


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There's a 30 Rock live reunion show airing tonight on NBC.

My younger daughter turned 16 today, so there's a movie planned tonight during the broadcast. The NBC site tells me the show will be available on the Peacock app, but I'm app-resistant. Plus, my experience with free broadcast networks is that anytime you want to watch one of their programs online, you're required to enter your paid-TV provider. I still don't have one of those, so I lose. 


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Maybe I didn't miss much? Hank Stuever was not a fan.


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45 minutes ago, Christian said:

Maybe I didn't miss much? Hank Stuever was not a fan.

Has there ever been a successful reunion show? I'm not sure I can think of one. I watched most of 30 Rock, though I don't think I got all the way to the end. That sort of sketch comedy doesn't lend to the character development that makes me curious or invested in what happened to the characters. I guess I think that drama might allow people to change in some interesting ways but comedy is about the same formula, same interactions. I'm assuming Liz is still Liz and doing Liz things. 

 

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