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If we're really going to do this we need a couple of firm ground rules, so, two questions:

1. Will the votes be public or private? Will everyone see which films I decide to give 30 to and which films I decide to give 5 to? Or will it be done privately, averaged out and simply posted?

2. These will be each individuals picks for the Top Ten of the Decade in their own opinion. Not "spiritual" or "most important..." Is "favorite" too general of a word? Or is "Top Ten" good enough? The word "spiritual" throws me off every time. A list of ten is hard enough to decide on as it is.

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Yes. This is better than your last system. Which I am pretty sure is somehow secretly slanted towards Mike Leigh. Which, of course, is fine as long as everyone votes for All or Nothing. Make it work, people.

If I'm putting a Mike Leigh film among my ten best of the aughts -- and sadly, I'm probably not -- it's All or Nothing.

1. Will the votes be public or private? Will everyone see which films I decide to give 30 to and which films I decide to give 5 to? Or will it be done privately, averaged out and simply posted?

I'd say let each person decide whether they want to out their picks or not. If they post them, fine. If not, fine.

2. These will be each individuals picks for the Top Ten of the Decade in their own opinion. Not "spiritual" or "most important..." Is "favorite" too general of a word? Or is "Top Ten" good enough?

I like simply "Top Ten." Just let each individual decide their criteria.

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1. Will the votes be public or private? Will everyone see which films I decide to give 30 to and which films I decide to give 5 to? Or will it be done privately, averaged out and simply posted?

I would say a public election. That's half the fun of something like this. And why would there be any need for privacy?

2. These will be each individuals picks for the Top Ten of the Decade in their own opinion. Not "spiritual" or "most important..." Is "favorite" too general of a word? Or is "Top Ten" good enough? The word "spiritual" throws me off every time. A list of ten is hard enough to decide on as it is.

I wouldn't necessarily want "favorite," in which one could include all sorts of random films as long as they were personally significant (for example, on my "favorites" list, one would probably find CASINO ROYALE, but that's not to say that I think much of it). Personally, I'm more interested in the top ten "best" films. Not necessarily important or significant--there can be an important film which isn't very good--but the films that most impress and satisfy Arts & Faith members as works of art. That's about as specific as I'd make the guidelines, though.

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And why would there be any need for privacy?

Because if you see how others are voting and keep a running tally of the total weighted votes you can stack your votes accordingly to make the film you want stronger

(We at A&F have never learned how to cheat these systems, right?) ;)


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Overstreet wrote:

: Michael Clayton would by on my list of most aggravating movies of the decade. I recently heard someone describe it as an elaborate buildup to a big F-you.

Oh, but what a glorious F-you.

I hear ya, though. The idea that these professional, efficient killers would suddenly decide to plant a bomb in a car that doesn't go off until ... well, whenever the story needs it to ... is pretty lame. And since THAT provides the film with its overarching structure ...


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Alright. Five of my films were there:

1. The Dark Knight (citizen Kane of super-hero movies)

2. The Son (Yes, Yes. Did not expect it to make it but it definitely deserved that top 10 spot)

3. 4 months, 3 weeks....(masterpiece, landmark film)

4. Spirited Away (best animated film ever made...period)

5. Once (So did not expect...but again....thoroughly deserved)!

Awesome!

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It's no use arguing with those one-sentence justifications on the Telegraph list. Lots of great titles that I'd put higher or lower, and then choices like Mamma Mia! in the Top 20, based, it seems, on the fact that it was a big hit. How deep.

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It's no use arguing with those one-sentence justifications on the Telegraph list.

I have to argue with one or, if not exactly argue, make a comparison...

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James Cameron, 2009, DVD n/a: On the basis of a sneak 15-minute show reel, it’s not premature to predict that this ground-breaking 3D sci-fi epic will change the way we look at movies.

I thought the same thing of the two and half minute preview to The Phantom Menace, yet once I saw the film, all it did was change the way I look at Star Wars movies. Wait 'til the film is in release to give it a spot on the list, or publish the list after you've seen everything that 2009 has to offer.

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Très cool to see Andrei Zvyagintsev on a list other than someone from the A&F crowd....

Also it is wonderful to see old favorites like Lagaan and Atanarjuat get some loving on a Top 100 list.

Hey, look! Finally someone besides me put a Moodysson on their list, although it is the wrong film and down way too far. (Not that I have anything against Together, because I don't, other than it doesn't belong here as representative of Moodysson. It was a great warm-up story for a more important work.)

It is always great to see the Dardennes get some loving too. I forgot them on my list and now I am convinced that I need to put them on there somewhere. But I might need to revisit all their works in order to rank them properly. Right now all I remember is that every film is fantastic, I don't even remember which one is best.

It's no use arguing with those one-sentence justifications on the Telegraph list.

I have to argue with one or, if not exactly argue, make a comparison...

Me too:

* 94 The Brown Bunny

Vincent Gallo, 2003 , £7.82: Heckled at Cannes, the decade’s most reviled film is now destined to become a future lost classic.

Give me a break. How is this destined to become a future lost classic? By collecting dust in certain hip kids' thousand-disc video collections? Brown Bunny isn't even available in rental stores -- it doesn't rent, so they won't keep a physical copy. So please tell me who is going to discover this "lost classic" and when. What a load of crap. It wasn't even a very good film and it was known more for a controversial blow-job scene than anything else.

I don't know whose chain Telegraph is trying to yank. Maybe everyone's, but other than the recognition of a few artists that still need it, the list is a bit of a joke. They want to show they have the balls to put Antichrist on the list (with no mention of the far superior Dogville), but then they have School of Rock ranked one higher and schlock like Bourne, Bond and Mama Mia ranked way higher. These do not belong on each others' lists.

The Telegraph list feels like the evil sneer from the Mouth of Sauron at the gates of Mordor in Return of the King. It bares its teeth and tries to convince it owns a truth, when in reality it taunts and just provokes rage.

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It is always great to see the Dardennes get some loving too. I forgot them on my list and now I am convinced that I need to put them on there somewhere. But I might need to revisit all their works in order to rank them properly. Right now all I remember is that every film is fantastic, I don't even remember which one is best.

There is no room for argument. The answer is The Son.

Or maybe Rosetta.

The Telegraph list feels like the evil sneer from the Mouth of Sauron at the gates of Mordor in Return of the King. It bares its teeth and tries to convince it owns a truth, when in reality it taunts and just provokes us to rage.

Of all the lists I *wish* I'd kept, I most wish I'd been tracking my favorite moments in the history of A&F. This would have immediately won a spot on that list.

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: The Telegraph list feels like the evil sneer from the Mouth of Sauron at the

: gates of Mordor in Return of the King. It bares its teeth and tries to convince

: it owns a truth, when in reality it taunts and just provokes rage.

The interesting thing is that you can take the word "list" out of that sentence and it's still just as apt.

I really wouldn't take their list seriously. If Britain had to be represented by a newspaper top films of the noughties list it would be the one the Guardian have/will come up with.

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PS How can y oustart the entry for your number 1 iflm - "It may not be the best film of the year?" Facist nincompoops

LOL


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It's no use arguing with those one-sentence justifications on the Telegraph list. Lots of great titles that I'd put higher or lower, and then choices like Mamma Mia! in the Top 20, based, it seems, on the fact that it was a big hit. How deep.

Well I wasn't really trying to "justify" them. I was more or less giving my reaction to them being on the list. But yes, it does kinda look like I was justifying them. Sorry!

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Woops! Sorry for the offense. I was referring to the Guardian's one-sentence descriptions, not to any of your comments.


"What matters are movies, not awards; experiences, not celebrations; the subjective power of individual critical points of view, not the declamatory compromises of consensus." - Richard Brody, "Godard's Surprise Win Is a Victory for Independent Cinema," The New Yorker

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I probably won't hammer out a top 10 until the end of the year -- not because I'm trying to catch up with other films but because list-making has become part of my holiday tradition. :)Beau Travail and The Son have locked down the top spots, though, and Jia's Still Life / Dong will definitely be in the top 5.

Brown Bunny isn't even available in rental stores -- it doesn't rent, so they won't keep a physical copy. So please tell me who is going to discover this "lost classic" and when. What a load of crap. It wasn't even a very good film and it was known more for a controversial blow-job scene than anything else.

What's a rental store? Brown Bunny is available at Netflix and, if you have a high-speed connection, it can be downloaded in an hour from bittorrent. Why will people keep discovering it? Because of the blow job scene, of course. I probably wouldn't include Brown Bunny on my top 100 of the decade, but I really admire parts of the film.

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Jim Emerson's list:

1) "Caché" (Michael Haneke, 2005)

2) "The Bourne Supremacy" / "The Bourne Ultimatum" (Paul Greengrass, 2004 / 2007)

3) "No Country For Old Men" (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2007)

4) "Grizzly Man" (Werner Herzog, 2005)

5) "Team America: World Police" (Trey Parker, 2004)

6) "Slumdog Millionaire" (Danny Boyle, 2008)

7) "The Last King of Scotland" (Kevin Macdonald, 2006)

8) "Casino Royale" (Martin Campbell, 2006)

9) "The Queen" (Stephen Frears, 2006)

10) "Hunger" (Steve McQueen, 2008)

11) "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" (Larry Charles, 2006)

12) "The Lives of Others" (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, 2006)

13) "This Is England" (Shane Meadows, 2007)

14) "4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days" (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)

15) "Downfall" (Oliver Hirschbiegel, 2004)

16) "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (Michel Gondry, 2004)

17) "Brokeback Mountain" (Ang Lee, 2005)

18) "Let the Right One In" (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)

19) "United 93" (Paul Greengrass, 2006)

20) "Donnie Darko" (Richard Kelly, 2001)


"What matters are movies, not awards; experiences, not celebrations; the subjective power of individual critical points of view, not the declamatory compromises of consensus." - Richard Brody, "Godard's Surprise Win Is a Victory for Independent Cinema," The New Yorker

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Jim Emerson's list:

1) "Caché" (Michael Haneke, 2005)

2) "The Bourne Supremacy" / "The Bourne Ultimatum" (Paul Greengrass, 2004 / 2007)

3) "No Country For Old Men" (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2007)

4) "Grizzly Man" (Werner Herzog, 2005)

5) "Team America: World Police" (Trey Parker, 2004)

6) "Slumdog Millionaire" (Danny Boyle, 2008)

7) "The Last King of Scotland" (Kevin Macdonald, 2006)

8) "Casino Royale" (Martin Campbell, 2006)

9) "The Queen" (Stephen Frears, 2006)

10) "Hunger" (Steve McQueen, 2008)

11) "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" (Larry Charles, 2006)

12) "The Lives of Others" (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, 2006)

13) "This Is England" (Shane Meadows, 2007)

14) "4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days" (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)

15) "Downfall" (Oliver Hirschbiegel, 2004)

16) "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (Michel Gondry, 2004)

17) "Brokeback Mountain" (Ang Lee, 2005)

18) "Let the Right One In" (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)

19) "United 93" (Paul Greengrass, 2006)

20) "Donnie Darko" (Richard Kelly, 2001)

This is actually the Times of London's list, as reposted on Emerson's blog. You can read their entire Top 100 of the decade here:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6902642.ece

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Oh, dear. Thanks for pointing that out. Didn't I link to the Times of London list earlier? You'd think I would've realized.

It's already blurring together.


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It's already blurring together.

Yeeeaah, having the 176th Bond-gets-the-girl-saves-the-world film on a list tends to do that to anyone....


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No. I will see it if you tell me that Bond dies.


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