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The spoilered bit is one I actually like...but I supposed I am pre-conditioned and was expecting it (as it was a plot point in the comics). The Sophia storyline is dragging out far more than I care for...but overall I am still enjoying the show.

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I think I'm going to wait 'til the DVDs come out. While the folks involved in the show said how excited they were that they could take the show in a different direction than the comic, I'm kind of holding my breath on this. It seems like while there are some differences, the major beats are still the same. The writing staff just seems to be treading water big time between these beats, though.

I'll bet money that by the end of the season, or even mid-season (mild spoiler for comic) all of the characters will hole up in an abandoned prison. It only took an issue or two to cover the stuff that happened at the farm and then shift to the prison, so the decision to spin the wheels a bit really does feel like time-wasting.

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I will say this: I've finally started moving through the comics and I'm enjoying them a lot more. The pacing is much better. It's exciting, like a zombie apocalypse ought to be.

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So, to the people still watching: what did you think of the mid-season finale?

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I liked it. It was an unexpected moment of tragedy at the end that I found to be solid. I also appreciate that when the show returns we will not see the rest of the season being

the search for Sophia continues

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Yeah, the rest of the season will now be

What the hell are we going to do about Shane?

I was half expecting Rick to

put a couple in Shane when he started opening the barn door.

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Yeah, readers of the comic would expect him to exit in some way...

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A major spoiler is spreading on the internet. And the source? An AMC website ad for the season two BluRay.

Not much of a spoiler for those of us who have read the comics, but nonetheless, that's a pretty big gaffe on the marketing team's part.

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You know what I thought about immediately after this week's episode? How much Dale reminds me of Simon from Lord of the Flies. Simon is the most peaceful and righteous character in that book and this entire episode was about how Dale was trying to prevent Randall's blood from being spilled. He did not want the survivors to descend to the level of savages. And then he died, although his death was more of a "mercy killing" (I hate that term) rather than an outright murder.

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Someone on Talking Dead (I think Greg Nicotero who directed the episode) said he was more like Piggy...who was intent on preserving civilization. But I was shocked...dis not see it coming.

So much for no big deviations from the comic.

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So much for no big deviations from the comic.

Still just keeping tabs on things from the sidelines here, but yeah — seriously.

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After what seemed like a big sophomore slump in the first half of the season, I must say that the last few episodes have me looking forward to this season's finale and the possibilities for next season. Hopefully AMC will throw a little more money towards this show.

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I know I've become the Comic Book Guy w.r.t. this show. Of course, I can't stop watching it, partly because Ali and I really love to watch an hour or two of TV on Sunday nights after the brood has been put to bed, and partly because Greg Nicotero's makeup work is the knees of the bee. In the cruelest of ironies, AMC's now running commercials during this show in an attempt to convince its fanbase to give MAD MEN a try. "Hey, I see you like to eat spoiled and uncooked ground beef. You might really enjoy a Porterhouse steak!"

Anyway, we've found the recaps at Videogum to be invaluable in getting through the show's insultingly bad writing. Here's the most recent one:

http://videogum.com/490241/the-walking-dead-s02e12-two-shanes-enter-one-shane-brains/tv/recaps/

The weird way in which Lori turned conciliatory to Shane really takes the cake. Just a few episodes ago, she's standoffish to Shane and warning her husband that he's a menace that needs to be exterminated, and now she's sidling up to him and pushing his victim buttons.

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I could almost forgive this abrupt reversal if Lori was trying to provoke/lure Shane into doing something bold to act on her quasi-advances in order to bring about Shane's demise.

I guess we'll find out what Rick learned at the CDC this week.

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So...my favorite moment of the season was in the last five minutes...but this was a pretty wild season ender.

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A rambling, conflicted reaction to the comic's recent 100th issue, which made the writer snap in regards to his fandom (major, major spoilers beginning after quoted section, which is from the second paragraph).

The events of this book make me seriously, seriously re-evaluate the relationship of the writer with his fan base. My honest opinion is that Robert Kirkman is a sadist. But hand in hand with that notion is something more dreadful: the fans are masochists. To keep returning to a series that has consistently "provoked you" with the exact same punishments is masochism. Because it is clear that Kirkman's entire philosophy with this book is to be as mean and awful to essentially good characters as he can. His entire shtick is to bait the audience with a simple little worm that I felt certain would not be on the hook in the anticipated issue # 100: "Someone is going to die." I felt certain that, because the entire series has been about suffering, punishment and death, he would actually find a clever way of making # 100 memorable without resorting to killing off a major character. Unfortunately, that is exactly what he did.

I've kept up with the show thus far, but not with any particular zeal toward avoiding the comic's spoilers. Given what's expected for Seasons 3 or 4 with Lori, and given how many of the show's fans are likely eagerly awaiting this moment, I'm not inclined to stick around. Even with Darabont gone and the hope of something not completely nihilistic barely alive, I just can't muster the interest.

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I was not sure at the beginning...but by the end? I found his entire premise set forth at the beginning massively flawed. It is not weakness or foolishness to care about the characters. Nor do I see proof that Kirkman is laughing at readers for doing so. Heck, by this logic, my mom's stage four cancer is just a cruel joke by God who apparently delights in punishing my family for our being weak enough to have cared about her. Life can be tough, people we like and love die, even unfairly and brutally. To presume an author is laughing at people for caring about their characters is a pretty big leap to make based solely on the story.

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I was not sure at the beginning...but by the end? I found his entire premise set forth at the beginning massively flawed. It is not weakness or foolishness to care about the characters. Nor do I see proof that Kirkman is laughing at readers for doing so. Heck, by this logic, my mom's stage four cancer is just a cruel joke by God who apparently delights in punishing my family for our being weak enough to have cared about her. Life can be tough, people we like and love die, even unfairly and brutally. To presume an author is laughing at people for caring about their characters is a pretty big leap to make based solely on the story.

Yeah, there was some big assumptions in that article. Still, I'm with him. I read up through the first six collected volumes, but just gave up after they killed the Governor. It was so over the top (and kind of reveled in it.) I've followed what's happened with the comics, and I'm glad I bailed when I did. I love the general premise of the comics, and thing some really neat things have happened, but I realize it's just not for me.

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Which is a totally valid feeling. I would have understood had that been the theme of the piece. :)

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I was not sure at the beginning...but by the end? I found his entire premise set forth at the beginning massively flawed. It is not weakness or foolishness to care about the characters. Nor do I see proof that Kirkman is laughing at readers for doing so. Heck, by this logic, my mom's stage four cancer is just a cruel joke by God who apparently delights in punishing my family for our being weak enough to have cared about her. Life can be tough, people we like and love die, even unfairly and brutally. To presume an author is laughing at people for caring about their characters is a pretty big leap to make based solely on the story.

Agreed. I wouldn't say Kirkman is laughing, either, but I totally sympathize with the writer's complaint about the "who dies next?" question being used to drive hype. And not just in TWD. As one of those who jumped on the Game of Thrones bandwagon because of the show, I don't know how much of that question was a key element of being a fan of the books pre-HBO, but since it went huge it seems that the anticipation of new material is largely concerned with that question. And since reading books 1-4, I can see how the lack of an end in sight for the saga leaves the swaths of middle material without much shape* except for that provided by character deaths.

*Especially in large chunks of Feast, although I enjoyed those moments when Martin gets into examining the layers of his world (ie. the septon's musings).

Edited by Nathan Douglas

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And not just in TWD. As one of those who jumped on the Game of Thrones bandwagon because of the show, I don't know how much of that question was a key element of being a fan of the books pre-HBO, but since it went huge it seems that the anticipation of new material is largely concerned with that question. And since reading books 1-4, I can see how the lack of an end in sight for the saga leaves the swaths of middle material without much shape* except for that provided by character deaths.

I realize so much of the hype and anticipation of the A Song of Ice and Fire series (especially post HBO pilot) focus on the whole "character deaths!" thing, but really — aside from a few big ones, the death toll in Martin's books (which sport hundreds of named characters, and — rough guess — have dozens of "vital" characters) really isn't that high. And besides, a decent number of "deaths" are just fake-outs anyway. Kirkman just cuts through his tiny cast of characters, and in such a vicious way that it's just hard to take.

Martin's stuff isn't lollipops and rainbows, sure, but he at least operates with the bittersweet. Kirkman strikes me more of a rotten meat kind of guy.

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