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Am I being a prude, or is anyone else troubled by this paragraph in a New York Times story today (full story at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/09/arts/tel...EX.html?8hpib):

Nelly Mecklenburg, a 14-year-old freshman at Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan, said she could not believe it when she heard that "Sex and the City," one of her favorite shows, was moving to TBS. "The idea was ridiculous and completely inappropriate," she said. "Then I heard it was going to be edited and figured that was even worse; it would be terrible."

But when Ms. Mecklenburg saw advance tapes of several edited episodes, she was pleasantly surprised. "I was very impressed," she said. "You couldn't tell when they edited certain words, and it actually still seemed like the same show."

Still, she said, people who see only the cleaned-up versions will be missing something.

"HBO makes it special, because the show can be raunchy," she said. "The language and sex aren't the most important part, but they add to it."

As troubling as the fact that she's a 14-year-old fan (the show started in 1998, when she was, what, 8?) is the matter-of-fact reference in the story ... as if the Times reporter and her editors are unfazed by this fact.

Thoughts? Outrage? Shrugs?


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It saddens me, but I'm not shocked, especially when I think about the routine spectacle of toddlers and small children, being taken to violent R and PG-13 films (and commonly taken out of the cinema crying and screaming from fright part way through).


To be an artist is never to avert one's eyes.
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I do find that a bit shocking, that such views about raunchiness do come from a 14-year old (not that I'm completely naive about 14-year olds), and that she has strong views against editing such material. Is the coming generation going to campaign for unexpurgated content on TV as a matter of principle?

It's also a bit hard to figure out where she stands when she seems to say on one hand that the show is so raunchy it shouldn't be shown on a non-cable channel:

"The idea was ridiculous and completely inappropriate," she said.

...and then that her initial reaction was that it would be worse to broadcast a cleaned up version than to broadcast a raunchy version

"Then I heard it was going to be edited and figured that was even worse; it would be terrible."

Anyway, in Canada, THE SOPRANOS is broadcast without any edits or bleeps on CTV, one of three national networks. I don't think SEX AND THE CITY has been televised outside of specialty channels, but I could be wrong.


"Could we ever know each other in the slightest without the arts?"

« Nous connaîtrions-nous seulement un peu nous-mêmes, sans les arts? »

Quoted on Canada's $20 bill; from Gabrielle Roy's novel La montagne secrète. The English translation, The Hidden Mountain, is by Harry L. Binsse.

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"HBO makes it special, because the show can be raunchy," she said. "The language and sex aren't the most important part, but they add to it."

I find it interesting that a 14-year-old would know how sex would "add" to the program. It can't be an appropriate display of sex. Interesting that she chould reason this. How soon will her life reflect what she thinks is being reflected in Sex in the City?


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This thread is a bit related to another...

Rating and R-card


...the kind of film criticism we do. We are talking about life, and more than that the possibility of abundant life." -M.Leary

"Dad, how does she move in mysterious ways?"" -- Jude (my 5-year-old, after listening to Mysterious Ways)

[once upon a time known here as asher]

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A gay friend said what really struck him was that none of the women really reflected any women he knew. Rather, they each reflected a gay man. Basically, the characters were all gay men in drag.

I was stunned that the show was picked up by TBS. I just don't see how you could edit it for non-pay cable. It would be easier to adapt the Sopranos, since most of what they would have to chop out is language-which I would not miss if they did it well. That's always been my gripe with films edited for basic cable and the networks. The edits are usually so obvious that it's distracting. I'd rather films that are hard to edit never be broadcast on mainstream TV. If you have to edit it so heavily, it probably is "inappropriate".

It frustrates me that parents would allow their young kids to watch a show clearly not made for kids. "Not Appropriate for Kids" is right there in the title. I don't know how active she is, I don't know how her parents have raised her. I don't know that I expect her to imitate any of the characters on the show...but it just isn't appropriate for kids. Period.


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I just stopped by to say "Yes" to the title of this thread, but now that I realize what it's about, I realize that it's a subject I know little-or-nothing about, so I'll just be on my way. unsure.gif


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I just stopped by to say "Yes" to the title of this thread, but now that I realize what it's about, I realize that it's a subject I know little-or-nothing about, so I'll just be on my way. unsure.gif

Thanks Jeffrey. I needed that laugh.


...the kind of film criticism we do. We are talking about life, and more than that the possibility of abundant life." -M.Leary

"Dad, how does she move in mysterious ways?"" -- Jude (my 5-year-old, after listening to Mysterious Ways)

[once upon a time known here as asher]

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Link to the thread on the big-screen spin-off.

"Sympathy must precede belligerence. First I must understand the other, as it were, from the inside; then I can critique it from the outside. So many people skip right to the latter." -- Steven D. Greydanus
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Not that I'm a conservative, but what else is there to do in a free market? Heck, if you gave the market its way, free porn would be part of basic cable.

I suppose the same principle is now giving us bowdlerized episodes of The Sopranos on A&E--which I'm still not watching, because I still don't care, despite Ken Morefield's excellent analysis of the final episode.


There is this difference between the growth of some human beings and that of others: in the one case it is a continuous dying, in the other a continuous resurrection. (George MacDonald, The Princess and Curdie)

Isn't narrative structure enough of an ideology for art? (Greg Wright)

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