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Terminator: Dark Fate

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Links to our threads on The Terminator (1984), Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (2008-2009), Terminator Salvation (2009), Terminator: Genisys (2015), the Terminator reboot TV series (in development) and Terminator 3000 (probably not in development any more).

TheWrap.com says Paramount has announced release dates of May 19, 2017 and June 29, 2018 for the next two films in the franchise. And it seems that, right now, they are calling these films "Terminator 2" and "Terminator 3" -- which is problematic in both cases, but for very different reasons.

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He’s Back! James Cameron To Godfather ‘Terminator’ With ‘Deadpool’ Helmer Tim Miller
EXCLUSIVE: He’ll be back! James Cameron, who regains certain rights to his prized creation The Terminator in 2019, is godfathering a new iteration of the film that might finally get it right in drawing a close in the battle between humans and Skynet. Sources said that Cameron, whose copyright reversion happens 35 years after the release of the 1984 classic, is in early talks with Deadpool director and VFX wiz Tim Miller to direct a reboot and conclusion of one of cinema’s great science fiction tales. David Ellison, whose Skydance co-financed Terminator Genisys, is bankrolling an exploratory effort that includes engaging some top-flight science fiction authors to find the movie creatively. Ellison still holds many Terminator rights, after his 2013 acquisition from sister and Annapurna principal Megan Ellison. She bought them in 2011 at Cannes for $20 million. . . .
Deadline.com, January 20

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Linda Hamilton Set to Return to 'Terminator' Franchise (Exclusive)
After waving hasta la vista, baby, more than 25 years ago, Linda Hamilton is returning to the world of Terminator, reuniting with James Cameron, the creator of the sci-fi franchise, for the new installment being made by Skydance and Paramount.
Cameron made the announcement at a private event celebrating the storied franchise, saying, "As meaningful as she was to gender and action stars everywhere back then, it’s going to make a huge statement to have that seasoned warrior that she’s become return."
With Hamilton’s return, Cameron hopes to once again make a statement on gender roles in action movies.
"There are 50-year-old, 60-year-old guys out there killing bad guys,” he said, referring to aging male actors still anchoring movies, “but there isn’t an example of that for women.” . . .
Cameron is producing along with Skydance. And the new film, which will be distributed by Paramount with Fox handling it internationally, is based on a story crafted by Cameron. Cameron and Miller created a writers room to hammer out what is planned to be a trilogy that can stand as single movies or form an overarching story. David Goyer, whose credits include the Blade and Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies; Charles Eglee, who created Dark Angel with Cameron; Josh Friedman, who created the Terminator TV spinoff, The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and Justin Rhodes, a frequent Goyer collaborator, were part of that room. . . .
Hollywood Reporter, September 19

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Anyone want to take a shot at falsifying the claim that there are no female action stars in their 50s or 60s?

Michelle Yeoh is 55 and still quite visible (she's playing a starship captain on the new Star Trek series, premiering this Sunday), though I must admit I don't know how much "action" her character will be involved with there, or how much "action" there has been in her big-screen roles of late (perhaps when Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 comes out?). In any case, I wouldn't say she has been *anchoring* any Hollywood movies lately.

Helen Mirren turned 65 the year the first RED came out, and 68 when RED 2 came out. But did she "anchor" those movies, which also starred Bruce Willis and a few others? (Mind you, the word "anchor" is used here by the reporter, and not by Cameron himself. So the distinction between a lead role and a co-starring or supporting role might not matter to him so much.)

I also see a potential problem in Sarah Connor being the focus of the new trilogy. In the two movies that she has appeared in so far, she was explicitly characterized as the *mother* of the future military hero John Connor. At some point the son has to take the spotlight from the mother; to paraphrase John the Baptist, John Connor must become greater and Sarah Connor must become less. Sarah Connor was only 19 when John Connor was born, so if Sarah is now, say, 61 (i.e. the age Linda Hamilton will be on her birthday next week), John would be 42, and really shouldn't be learning the basics from his mother still at this point.

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The movie has a title now. And it's coming out November 1, thirty-five years and six days after the original movie came out. 

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On 9/22/2017 at 11:27 AM, Peter T Chattaway said:

Linda Hamilton Set to Return to 'Terminator' Franchise (Exclusive)

Anyone want to take a shot at falsifying the claim that there are no female action stars in their 50s or 60s?

Hadn’t seen this thread, but I have seen the trailer. Maybe since HALLOWEEN did it last year, Hamilton’s return to this franchise feels more imitative of Jamie Leigh Curtis’s return, than it does an inspired return for Hamilton. 

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John Drew wrote:
Maybe since HALLOWEEN did it last year, Hamilton’s return to this franchise feels more imitative of Jamie Leigh Curtis’s return, than it does an inspired return for Hamilton. 

I dunno, I think this has been in the works long enough that it couldn't be considered an *imitation* of that film. And it's not like the Terminator franchise hasn't semi-rebooted itself before.

The bigger issue for me is that there is pretty much nothing in the trailer that we haven't already seen in the Terminator sequels that are explicitly being ignored by this new sequel. To quote what I wrote on Facebook: "A part-liquid-metal, part-mechanical Terminator, reminiscent of the one we saw in T3 (but maybe more nanite than liquid this time?). A Terminator that insists it's human, a la T4. A possible reference to the young Sarah Connor (if we take a certain statement literally, not metaphorically), a la T5."

The whole "a young girl is the key to everything" element is reminiscent of Logan and Star Trek: Picard and perhaps other recent franchise entries as well.

Speaking of which: what ever happened to *John* Connor? The first film -- which was originally supposed to be the *only* film in this franchise (remember the opening title crawl about the "last" battle being fought in 1984?) -- was all about his conception. And he was a major character in all the sequels that followed. But he's nowhere to be seen in the promotional materials for this new film so far. All we're getting is a bunch of Strong Women™ (plus Arnold Schwarzenegger; are they going to explain his age in this film the same way they explained it in T5?).

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Uh, whoa.

(And that vintage review is dead-wrong when it says John Connor was 12 in T2. The read-out in the police car clearly says he is 10, no matter how old the *actor* might have been.)

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