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Rob and Ambah are busting their humps to get ahead. They are using every advantage, scrambling, and working every angle. They are Racing full-out, and not coasting on anyone or anything. I wish there were more teams like them. Heck, I think that their scrambling will FORCE the other teams to race as well, just so they can keep up!

While I do appreciate the passion that the Survivor duo is bringing to the race I don't like the dishonesty in which they are playing. Obviously the AR producers don't have a problem with it, and/or it isn't against the rules to play dirty. I just wish that it was. Then we could have a competition based only on physical and mental skill, not chicanery.

It's a minor complaint on my part. It's been bugging me a bit, but it won't make me stop watching.

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I couldn't disagree with you more, Mark. The past few seasons have been chock full of teams who were content to just take what got handed to them by the producers. Bunching, pre-arranged flights, etc. But Rob and Ambah are busting their humps to get ahead. They are using every advantage, scrambling, and working every angle. They are Racing full-out, and not coasting on anyone or anything. I wish there were more teams like them. Heck, I think that their scrambling will FORCE the other teams to race as well, just so they can keep up!

Since I wasn't able to watch the second episode, I can't comment on whether they busted hump. But in the first episode, they absolutely coasted on the custom guy's coattails. If not for trading on their dubious celebrity, they'd have been just another coupla chumps coming in somewhere around mid-level, if not near bottom, of the first leg.


"The most important thing is that people love in the same way. Whether they are monarchists, republicans, or communists, they feel pain in the same way, as well as hatred, jealousy, fear, and fear of death. Whether you are a deeply religious man or an atheist, if you have a toothache, it hurts just the same." - Krzysztof Kieslowski

"...it seems to me that most people I encounter aren't all that interested in the arts. Most of the people who are my age ... appear to be interested in golf, fertilizer, and early retirement schemes.... I will stop caring passionately about music, books, and films on the day that I die, and I'm hoping for Top 100 album polls in the afterlife." - Andy Whitman

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SZPT, I see your point about dishonesty, and I resonate with it. But still, I like most of what Rob and Ambah bring to the Race.

Mark, you call engaging someone else's help coasting? What about building a relationship with a ticket agent and massaging better tickets? Or finding a good cabbie and keeping his services? I don't see what Rob and Ambah did with the guy they met in customs as any different. They made use of available resources. Yes, one of their resources is celebrity, and not everyone has that. But so many teams in so many seasons have refused to make use of even the resources they did have, and just accepted what was fed to them. THAT's what I call coasting. You just watch, R&A are going to raise the standards of gameplay for all of the teams that really want to win.


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Did Rombah engage the services of the guy at customs, or did they, as you say, accept what was handed them? As I remember it, the guy approached them, said he was a fan who wanted them to win, and they sat back and went along for the ride. How is that making use of resources or building a relationship?

At the start of the second episode (which I heard part of, before my VCR ate the tape) didn't Phil even say something like, "Will Rob and Amber continue to use their celebrity to gain an advantage"? (big paraphrase, but it was along those lines)

My original point is that AR shouldn't be casting people from other reality shows, or people who have some recognition factor, because it gives them an automatic advantage and brings the level of gamesmanship down a notch. If they're going to go that route, they ought to have some sort of all-stars installment, and let celebrities square off against celebrities.

Amazingly, Rombah isn't my least favorite team, and I find them much less grating than when they were on Survivor because they are actually doing something other than lying and manipulating. But like SZPT alluded, the whole show seems to be gearing toward Survivor-style deception and backstabbing this season, not only with Rombah but the mother-son, girlfriends, and gay couple, all bragging about their duplicitous intentions.

And the odd thing is, I don't remember that strategy ever being a big advantage to an AR team in the long run, since the game is ultimately a test of physical and mental ability. (Even the "model alliance" from last season couldn't help Hayden & Aaron in the end.)


"The most important thing is that people love in the same way. Whether they are monarchists, republicans, or communists, they feel pain in the same way, as well as hatred, jealousy, fear, and fear of death. Whether you are a deeply religious man or an atheist, if you have a toothache, it hurts just the same." - Krzysztof Kieslowski

"...it seems to me that most people I encounter aren't all that interested in the arts. Most of the people who are my age ... appear to be interested in golf, fertilizer, and early retirement schemes.... I will stop caring passionately about music, books, and films on the day that I die, and I'm hoping for Top 100 album polls in the afterlife." - Andy Whitman

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OK, crimson, I'll give Rob big kudos for his maneuver last night. Convincing other teams to abandon the meat-eating competition - brilliant.

What I don't get at all, is why other teams - after presumably seeing Rob lie and back-stab his way through two Survivors - listen to the guy. In my book, anyone who makes an alliance with Rob without the intention of screwing him first chance they get deserves to lose. Just like Kathy and Lex deserved to get booted from All-Stars for thinking, somehow, Rob would never lie to them.

IMO, last night's was one of the best episodes ever. Little or no bunching, suspense all the way through - at various points during the show, I thought five different teams were toast - and a down-to-the-wire race to the finish. And as annoying as the gay guys are, it was kind of sweet to see them beat macho man Rob in two separate contests. (I could've done without their little dance at the pit stop, though.)


"The most important thing is that people love in the same way. Whether they are monarchists, republicans, or communists, they feel pain in the same way, as well as hatred, jealousy, fear, and fear of death. Whether you are a deeply religious man or an atheist, if you have a toothache, it hurts just the same." - Krzysztof Kieslowski

"...it seems to me that most people I encounter aren't all that interested in the arts. Most of the people who are my age ... appear to be interested in golf, fertilizer, and early retirement schemes.... I will stop caring passionately about music, books, and films on the day that I die, and I'm hoping for Top 100 album polls in the afterlife." - Andy Whitman

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I laughed my backside off last night. I never watched Survivor, so I know diddly-squat about Rob and Amber, but based on their antics here I'm beginning to like them. I like Amber, anyway. Rob is growing on me, though I have the feeling if I ever met him in real life we probably wouldn't have much in common. I do wish he hadn't quit the challenge, though. And I like their relationship with each other. I think these two have a chance at a good, lasting marriage.

Mark, I agree--when Ray and Deana gave up without taking a single bite (or very few, anyway), I lost all respect for them. It worked out, but what if the next team was several hours behind? Stupid, stupid. I hope they are eliminated soon.

I sort of hover between like and dislike for the gay guys. There are times they're rather cute, and I think Alex is okay, but Lynn is seriously annoying.

I wish Don and MJ were on this race. I like them better than I do Meredith and Gretchen.

I was hoping Patrick and his mother would be eliminated. I'm not entirely sure why, but something about those two grates.

The brothers are growing on me. They're my kind of silly.

Still meh on Ron and Kelly. I don't expect them to last much longer, since I get the feeling they're not really giving their all.

I'm officially rooting for Uchenna and Joyce. "Would you like a mint?" Hee.

The editing this episode was hilarious. And favorite quote "The last thing you want to hear during an eating challenge is 'barf it up'." Ha!


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What I don't get at all, is why other teams - after presumably seeing Rob lie and back-stab his way through two Survivors - listen to the guy. In my book, anyone who makes an alliance with Rob without the intention of screwing him first chance they get deserves to lose.

When Phil asked Rob how he managed to convince the others to go along, even Rob couldn't figure it out! I can't help it--I like this guy. For now, anyway.


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Last night was a really fun episode. I wonder how many teams are going to turn vegetarian from now on. smile.gif

I thought Rob convincing the other teams to quit was something straight out of Tom Sawyer. I don't feel sorry at all for Ray, I think he was an idiot for, one, having Deana do the eating challenge, and two, listening to Rob. By golly, Rob and Amber are starting to seem downright likeable.

My favorite moment was Uchenna giving his "warrior cry" after finishing his food.

The gay guys are a little annoying, but they're playing the race well.

I was a little disappointed with the mother and son. When the son was threatening to quit the eating challenge, I wish the mother had been more assertive, and tell him, "Son, you are going to march back and clean your plate or else you're not getting any dessert!" biggrin.gif

I thought it was a shame that the two girls got eliminated. I was impressed with the way the one girl (who to me bears a striking resemblance to Julianne Moore) ate all her food after those other teams quit. It's a pity the two of them got lost at the beginning and lost so much time.

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Mom/Son and the two eliminated both suffered from failure to read maps -- twice. Didn't seem to matter which lost, with that kind of problem, their days would be numbered anyway.


A foreign movie can't be stupid.

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Well, if the next 2 weeks play out the way the first three have, then I guess we'll be saying goodbye to Lynne and Alex, and Bryan and Gregg. It seems the same sex match-ups have found some way to seriously mess up, and not be able to recover.

Possible spoilers1.gif beyond the norm...

And then there's this AR story. Apparently, online betting company Sportsbook.com has noticed an alarming betting trend, and has suspended all bets for The Amazing Race because they fear some people have been tipped to the final outcome. Here is the section of the story that doesn't contain specifics...

Are Bettors Tipping 'Amazing Race' Winner?

2 hours, 51 minutes ago  Entertainment - AP

By DERRIK J. LANG, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - Online wagerers: We're sorry to tell you, you've been eliminated.

Offshore bookie Sportsbook.com suspended betting on the winner of the seventh edition of "The Amazing Race" last week, citing unusual betting patterns on one team from accounts originating from California and Massachusetts over a 12-hour period.

"We saw a disproportionate amount of wagering coming in on them," Sportsbook.com marketing director Alex Czajkowski told The Associated Press. "They were betting at the limits a first time customer can bet at."

Although this is a first for both "The Amazing Race" and Sportsbook.com, this isn't the first reality TV show spoiled by online wagers. Betting was suspended for the Amazon and Pearl Island "Survivors," the second "Bachelor" and the second "Apprentice" after heavy


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Finally watched this on tape -- loved it! I agree, the "breath mint" comment and Rob's "even I don't know how I do it" were priceless.

I really wanted this to be a non-elimination leg. Was there ever a team that deserved another chance more than these two? I mean, four pounds of meat didn't seem like much until one team after another figured it would take them hours to get through it. So after losing four hours driving away from and back towards Santiago, they came within a whisker of catching Patrick and Susan. At least they got some cash (10-thousand each) on the first leg.

I wasn't sure about Rob and Amber at first -- a cheap ploy for viewers, I thought. But, man -- they sparkle on-screen, and win or lose, they may become the first superstars of the reality show era. But I'm pulling for Uchenna and Joyce. biggrin.gif

Oh -- notice, no prize for first place this time? I thought that was odd, but maybe another way they are shaking up the race -- like the big cash prize on leg 1.


"Could we ever know each other in the slightest without the arts?"

« Nous connaîtrions-nous seulement un peu nous-mêmes, sans les arts? »

Quoted on Canada's $20 bill; from Gabrielle Roy's novel La montagne secrète. The English translation, The Hidden Mountain, is by Harry L. Binsse.

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Oh -- notice, no prize for first place this time? I thought that was odd, but maybe another way they are shaking up the race -- like the big cash prize on leg 1.

I wondered about that. Or maybe it was a trip to Amsterdam for them to get married and they didn't want to get people mad.


A foreign movie can't be stupid.

-from the film
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I don't remember which episode, but in season five didn't Chip and Kim come in first but didn't win a prize? Of course, I'm not talking about the end of the race, but during one of the previous legs.

I seem to remember thinking it wasn't fair that they didn't win something. Maybe because of all the production costs they couldn't afford to give every leg a prize this time.

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Wow. Just watched this episode. Excellent!! FOUR POUNDS OF MEAT?? Yeeps. That's sixteen quarter-pounders without the buns. And some of it was brain and gland and intestine.

My 0.02 on Rob's maneuver - it was clever, decisive, and risky, all hallmarks of Rob's gameplay. But when you think of it, given that even the successful teams took almost four hours to complete the task, it wasn't a bad move for the teams that jumped on board.

I was impressed with Debbie and Bianca throughout, even though the TWoP recapper doesn't like them at all. I was sad to see them go.

Is it just me, or is Diana (Dating off and on) looking pretty dead to the world? I predict they are not long for this Race.

Way to go, Uchenna! And props to the gay guys. May you be eliminated soon, but good job on this leg.


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DUDE! This Race just gets better and better.

1. Rob and Ambah - fifth place to first place, and burning the butts of every team in their path.

2. Challenging challenges - the horse riding seemed at least a little difficult, and the shipwreck/island challenge was a solid one.

3. Luck vs. Skill - both played a part in this Race

4. NO bunching. In fact, with the five-hour gap between flights, ANTI-Bunching. I'll come back to this point in a minute.

5. Three teams in the bottom pack that I will delightedly watch getting picked off one by one, and five teams in the top pack that I don't mind watching win.

Can a Race fan desire anything more??

With regard to point 4 and the anti-bunching, there are two options - either the producers planned it that way, in which case kudos to them, or they had to arrange it that way because of the massive gap left after Rob and Ambah's maneuver last episode. I'd put money on the latter, since it didn't look like any of the bottom-pack teams had to wait long for their flight, but either way, it bodes well for the Race. Just the possibility that you could miss a flight and have a five hour gap to wait on will cause teams to hustle more.

I can't express the joy I felt watching the glee on all those top-pack teams turn to crestfallen angst as Rob and Ambah got on that plane. And when they grabbed their bags from the baggage claim first, my happiness was sealed. Kick butt, Rob and Ambah. Holy Cannoli!

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Most pathetic moment: Patrick on the horse--he wasn't even using the stirrups!

Actually I think the most pathetic moment was when Patrick just gave up. I feel sorry for his mom (does anyone remember her name?), but he simply deserved to lose with that attitude.

And it looks like Crims wants to head up the A&F chapter of the Rob and Ambah Fan Club! I think that they are winning most everyone over. They are just good competitors, and the gears in their head are always turning. You just gotta respect racers who actually put forth that kind of effort.

And I'm just gonna have to wait on voting in that poll. R&A look like the sure bet, but its still way too early to tell.

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Cool! Poll. But you spelled "Ambah" wrong.

Patrick was pathetic, but I think first prize for chief dork of the evening had to go to Ray (of dating on/off fame). As I went to bed, I thought "he repulses me" but then thought of Jonathan and Victoria, and realized that was too strong. Ray is a dork. But he's not at the Jonathan level yet.


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Ray is a dork. But he's not at the Jonathan level yet.

I don't think Ray will ever get to Jonathan level, thank God. It would have manifest by now. I really think that Ray just thinks more of himself than he should. Such as when he complains how the old couple don't belong in the race. If he applies the same standards to himself then he doesn't belong either.

Even in his attitude towards Deana Ray envisions himself to be possibly another Jonathan, but Jonathan was actually dangerous. Ray is just inept.

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DUDE! This Race just gets better and better.

1. Rob and Ambah - fifth place to first place, and burning the butts of every team in their path.

2. Challenging challenges - the horse riding seemed at least a little difficult, and the shipwreck/island challenge was a solid one.

3. Luck vs. Skill - both played a part in this Race

4. NO bunching. In fact, with the five-hour gap between flights, ANTI-Bunching. I'll come back to this point in a minute.

5. Three teams in the bottom pack that I will delightedly watch getting picked off one by one, and five teams in the top pack that I don't mind watching win.

Can a Race fan desire anything more??

Actually, except for the comeback in #1, I thought last night was pretty uninspired. Nothing very complicated, challenging or even all that interesting. Rob and Amber certainly have the best luck of this bunch.

I agree wholeheartedly with point 5. I hope Ray and Deanna are next.

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I thought this thread had blanket spoilers? Do I need tags?

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Five hours between planes? No bunching? Patrick whining for almost 10 minutes about how they're "definitely" gone? Yep, I thought, this is a non-elim.

I was THRILLED to find out it wasn't. Anyone who treats their mother the way he does will find no sympathy from me, though I didn't like Susan much, either.

I agree whole-heartedly with crimsonline. Any of the ones on that first plane, with the exception of Lynn and Alex (more on that in a minute), could win and I'd be happy. It seems as though this year the Race is set up to reward the strong teams and defeat the weak teams, which is as it should be, I think.

Still liking Joyce and Uchenna. They are strong competitors, though they need to kick it up just a notch to get past Rob and Amber.

Rob and Amber. I like them. They are tough, never-give-up type of people, and I really admire them. They are respectful towards each other, and for the most part they seem respectful towards the others. At least, I don't hear the same kind of poison from them that I do from other teams *coughLynnAlexcough*. And I'm really beginning to think that of whatever faults Rob has, he is fully aware of them. "I must have been born with a horseshoe...up my ***!" He cracks me up.

Brian and Greg. I like these guys. They're a hoot, and strictly from a fan-girl perspective, rather nice to look at. wink.gif

Still don't care about Ron and Kelly. If they win, yay, if not, whatever.

I want to like Gretchen, but she gets on my nerves. Meredith is okay. I wouldn't mind seeing them go next.

I am really hoping Ray and Deanna go soon. I agree that their relationship is similar to Colin and Christy, though personally I think Christy gave as good as she got (and in some cases, gave worse). I don't think Ray is nearly as good a racer as he thinks he is.

Finally, Lynn and Alex. They are certainly strong candidates, and I like that they never give up and seem to support each other, but I am sick to death of their attitude towards Rob and Amber. GET OVER IT! They are going to seriously derail themselves because of it, and I'm at the point now where I hope Rob and Amber beat those two at every leg until they're gone.


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I had an interesting experience with AR last night. When I got home from work, I discovered that the power in my neighborhood had gone out in the mid-afternoon (and ultimately wouldn't return until after midnight). So, I ended up having to listen to AR on my portable CD player (with AM/FM radio and audio TV), and it actually made for a compelling radio show. More than enough description to get a sense of what the teams were having to deal with during the course of this leg of the race. My only regret was not being able to see the reactions on the faces of the 4 teams (especially Alex and Lynn's) that made the early flight when they saw Rob and Ambah get on board.

I was really expecting this to be a non-elimination leg, and was quite surprised when Susan and Patrick got the boot (although Patrick deserved a boot of some kind). I feel bad for Susan, but Patrick's defeatest attitude was sorry to watch. I do wonder if the producers would have pulled out the non-elim card had Rob and Ambah's "take the penalty" decision backfired, either on last weeks show or last nights.

3 things I came away with last night from only listening to voices...

1. I like Meredith, but Gretchen's "nails on chalkboard" voice finally got to me. I thought they had completely blown it, when they made the blunder of following Ray and Deana through the delta. They were lucky that Patrick and Susan got a bum engine on their boat, otherwise it sounded as if that mistake would have put them last. I wouldn't mind if Meredith/Gretchen or Ray/Deana lose out next week, although with 3 (?) non-elims still out there, the constantly lagging teams may get some second chances.

2. I realized that no matter what Alex and Lynn talk about, they always sound as though someone near them has just passed gas.

3. And, for all you MST3K fans out there, it occured to me last night that Rob's accent and speech pattern are nearly identical to Victor Stiles (a.k.a. Billy, the Earth boy) from episode 321, Santa Claus Conquers the Martians.

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(Rob said...) "I must have been born with a horseshoe...up my ***!"  He cracks me up.

I laughed, and then thought - "nope, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't describe THAT as lucky..."

Finally, Lynn and Alex.  They are certainly strong candidates, and I like that they never give up and seem to support each other, but I am sick to death of their attitude towards Rob and Amber.  GET OVER IT!

Rob: "They must all like us - they all want to be like us!"

Bwa-ha-ha-ha!


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...I took the spelling of Ambeh from the AR website...

Who da ya trust moah? Dose guyse or huh feeyansay?

On another note, who would have thought that Rob was an

equestrian

?? And that he'd toss off casual Hemingway references?


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On another note, who would have thought that Rob was an

equestrian

?? And that he'd toss off casual Hemingway references?

He's just a jack-of-all-trades. I suppose next week we'll find out he's a gourmet chef while he tosses off casual references to the films of Godard. wink.gif

I am growing more and more impressed with Rob and Amber. The moment when they walked on the plane and seeing the faces of the other teams was priceless. It will be interesting to see if Rob and Amber can keep up their pace to the end, or if the other teams will mange to team up and work together to keep them from winning. In any event, it looks like it will be an exciting race to the end. Lynn and Alex are truly annoying though.

I'm not sorry to see Susan and Patrick go. I was getting tired of Patrick's whining. I hope Meredith and Gretchen stay in the race longer than Ray and Deana, giving Ray's constant belittling of them. I am impressed with the fact that Meredith and Gretchen have outlasted four teams so far, and I loved watching Meredith get up and go on that horse.

I can't wait to see Ray gone, it's uncomfortable watching him and Deana. It seems to me that Ray sends Deana out to do these road block challenges, and she gets this look on her face like she really doesn't want to be there. I don't think Ray is being abusive, but either just ignorant or being a wimp. It does look like there will be some non-elim legs coming up, so it looks like one or both of these teams are going to still be in the race for a couple weeks at least.

I don't know what to make of next week's preview.

It looks Brian and Greg get into an accident, rolling their truck.

And it's a two-hour episode, which is unusual.

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I don't know what to make of next week's preview. 

It looks Brian and Greg get into an accident, rolling their truck.

Not to mention a

rather bloody-looking Gretchen.

Went by so fast that I might be wrong, though.

Had to miss part of last night's episode, though I taped it. Didn't get to see the Susan/Patrick drama, but I caught their departing words. Seemed quite uncomfortable, to say the least.

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