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The body paint choices are beautiful. One question though, Paul, is the red top and trim on black an original arrangement for that year?

I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't realize that the taillights illuminated the fins! I noticed for the first time last weekend that this accent was on the '61 Eldorado ::blushing::

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"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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The body paint choices are beautiful. One question though, Paul, is the red top and trim on black an original arrangement for that year?

To be honest, Rich, I'm not sure ... I know that there were quite a few two-tone paint jobs on Ford (and other domestic) products in that era, but my recollection is that most of them were with white roofs.


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No one with a good car needs to be justified. -- Hazel Motes

In the final end, he won the wars, after losin' every battle.-- Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind

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Any of you auto buffs know how to find a manual (official or aftermarket repair guide, like Haynes) for a 1996 Ford Fiesta (european version) Diesel? My inlaws bought one (the car not the manual) and thought it would be helpful to have the manual too.

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Was that legal here? Or are they in the old country (you were going overseas I thought, just a while ago)? I didn't think anyone sold diesels here since the '80's. Even VW gave up. I thought. ABP works for Ford. I'll check eBay.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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Was that legal here? Or are they in the old country (you were going overseas I thought, just a while ago)? I didn't think anyone sold diesels here since the '80's. Even VW gave up. I thought. ABP works for Ford. I'll check eBay.

Yeah, this is for my brother in law back in Albania. I got to drive it a few times--crazy drivers in Albania. But they know nothing about cars, so the manual would be helpful for things like a maintenance schedule, where to find stuff, etc. For example, I had to show them where the windshield wiper fluid went, and how to turn it on.

Also, it has a funny, funny lock. Electronic, so that when you insert the key, you hear a solenoid function to unlock the car. But its not always reliable. One day, we had to reach in through the rear window (which opens like a van's, out and with a lever), unlatch the back seat so it would fold down, and crawl in through the trunk.

It would be nice if there was a way to disable that solenoid so that the key physically actuated the lock.

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I hope he reads English? I've checked eBay, Amazon, and Bookfinder.com. Just as I expected, manuals are available, but only for the late '70's to early '80's models available here. The Escort, the next larger "world car" Ford made replaced the Fiesta. Ford sold no Fiestas here in the U.S. from the '80's on, but will start with the new '10 design in in the Fall. I've seen a few on the streets here already.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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For all my cars, I try to get the official Ford shop manual from Helm, Inc. They tend to be a bit costly, however.

Link here.

You can navigate by brand and see what they have for the 1996 Fiesta.

(I sat in a European Fiesta on Friday - neat car - very luxurious interior for a B-car.)

Any of you auto buffs know how to find a manual (official or aftermarket repair guide, like Haynes) for a 1996 Ford Fiesta (european version) Diesel? My inlaws bought one (the car not the manual) and thought it would be helpful to have the manual too.


Yours truly,

ABP

No one with a good car needs to be justified. -- Hazel Motes

In the final end, he won the wars, after losin' every battle.-- Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind

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I was skimming Hemmings Motor News yesterday and discovered an opportunity to feed an addiction of mine. The Meadowbrook Concours and Auction seems to be having a Chrysler theme this year. No real full page ad or anything. Merely a subtle placement of two perfect '34 Airflows in the classifieds with no price, just the declaration to offer at the auction on Aug 1. any other Mopar folks left out there?


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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I was skimming Hemmings Motor News yesterday and discovered an opportunity to feed an addiction of mine. The Meadowbrook Concours and Auction seems to be having a Chrysler theme this year. No real full page ad or anything. Merely a subtle placement of two perfect '34 Airflows in the classifieds with no price, just the declaration to offer at the auction on Aug 1. any other Mopar folks left out there?

Eliot and I are Mopar fans. Though mostly from the Virgil Exner "Forward Look" era, up though 1971.

Six or seven years ago, I saw a huge display of Airflows at the Walter P. Chrysler Museum. The Airflow club had some sort of gathering there, and they were parked all around the entrance. Beautiful cars.


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ABP

No one with a good car needs to be justified. -- Hazel Motes

In the final end, he won the wars, after losin' every battle.-- Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind

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Eliot and I are Mopar fans. Though mostly from the Virgil Exner "Forward Look" era, up though 1971.

It was the '58 Plymouth Fury that cemented me a fan for life, not the '57's verticle slots below the grill, or my Dad's '51 Dodge that he had when I became conscious of cars. From there I obsessed in all directions Chrysler. I believe that Meadowbrook is a Chrysler theme and not Airflow this year. There were a few '55 300 C's advertised as offered at Meadowbrook and besides, they use marque themes, not eras or classes, so I suspect there will be a full run of Chryslers and Imperials (in addition to Airflows, I've never seen any of those gorgeous pre-Airflow Chryslers and Imperials from the late '20's and early '30's either).

Should we ride together.....? I'm going, price no object even though we have people coming over that night.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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Should we ride together.....? I'm going, price no object even though we have people coming over that night.

I would like to, very much. Let me see if it works with my family's schedule!


Yours truly,

ABP

No one with a good car needs to be justified. -- Hazel Motes

In the final end, he won the wars, after losin' every battle.-- Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind

Hot Rod Anglican blog ...

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Here's another video of my son's 1963 Mercury Meteor. In this one, you get to see him driving it ...


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ABP

No one with a good car needs to be justified. -- Hazel Motes

In the final end, he won the wars, after losin' every battle.-- Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind

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Here's another video of my son's 1963 Mercury Meteor. In this one, you get to see him driving it ...

Cool car.

We are a family of Jeep drivers. :D One Cherokee that is on it's third driver, my husband's Liberty and my Compass. :wub:. We back our cars into the garage and had a scene like no other in the neighborhood--three distinct Jeep grilles all lined up in a row. Til my son bought a Mazda this summer. That moved bumped the oldest jeep into the driveway and thus ruined our unique look. :( It just seems so wrong somehow.

But to be really different, we also own a plane. ::plane:: Which isn't parked in the garage. Much to my oldest son's dismay.

QUOTE(Christian @ May 20 2005, 02:01 PM)QUOTE(Alan Thomas @ May 20 2005, 06:50 AM)Dan, saw your note about the wife driving the new car. In my experience, the wife almost always gets the best car...it's some kind of law of nature, I guess.

Well, duh! You did not know this? It's in the fine print on the marriage certificate--back lower left corner. B)


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Purchased: one 2002 Buick Century Custom. Bench seats, column mounted shift, tape deck. The works.


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QUOTE(Christian @ May 20 2005, 02:01 PM)QUOTE(Alan Thomas @ May 20 2005, 06:50 AM)Dan, saw your note about the wife driving the new car. In my experience, the wife almost always gets the best car...it's some kind of law of nature, I guess.

Well, duh! You did not know this? It's in the fine print on the marriage certificate--back lower left corner. B)

Indeed. We bought a 2010 Honda Civic last night. With alloy wheels and moonroof. My wife will drive it. She's always wanted a moonroof, and we're not getting any younger, so it seemed the time to spring for a moonroof.

Because it is indeed a sacrosanct rule that the wife gets the new car, everybody else shifts accordingly. I get the 2009 Mazda 6, previously driven by my wife. My 23 year-old-daughter gets the 2004 Chevy Cavalier, previously driven by me. It had better last her through grad school. The 1995 Geo Prizm (no, they don't make 'em anymore), formerly driven by my 23-year-old daughter, now sits in the driveway, waiting to be driven by my youngest daughter when she's home on school breaks and needs to get to work. It is actually this vehicle that started the snowball rolling. The Geo Prizm is a two-tone (blue and rust; blue because that's the original color, rust because it's now mostly rust) monstrosity that is the official scourge of our suburban neighborhood. It is truly an ugly car. When my testy neighbor complains about the length of my lawn, I tend to park it on the street, close to his mailbox. Just being neighborly, praise God.

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I just bought my first brand-new car, a black 2009 Honda Fit. It's a subcompact but has SO much room inside - the most in it's class, from my research. It kinda looks like a mini-minivan. My wife and I love it.


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We bought a 2010 Honda Civic last night. With alloy wheels and moonroof. My wife will drive it. She's always wanted a moonroof, and we're not getting any younger, so it seemed the time to spring for a moonroof.

Because it is indeed a sacrosanct rule that the wife gets the new car, everybody else shifts accordingly. I get the 2009 Mazda 6, previously driven by my wife.

DUDE!!! Moonroof or no, YOU WIN! Ask any car guy and he will confirm this. For sheer fun, uh, zoom, zoom, zoom, a 6 will beat an Accord. Tche, a Civic? It isn't even fair! And an '09? Probably still smells a little new, mixed with your wife's favorite perfume. Win, win, win.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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We bought a 2010 Honda Civic last night. With alloy wheels and moonroof. My wife will drive it. She's always wanted a moonroof, and we're not getting any younger, so it seemed the time to spring for a moonroof.

Because it is indeed a sacrosanct rule that the wife gets the new car, everybody else shifts accordingly. I get the 2009 Mazda 6, previously driven by my wife.

DUDE!!! Moonroof or no, YOU WIN! Ask any car guy and he will confirm this. For sheer fun, uh, zoom, zoom, zoom, a 6 will beat an Accord. Tche, a Civic? It isn't even fair! And an '09? Probably still smells a little new, mixed with your wife's favorite perfume. Win, win, win.

Yeah, I'm not complaining. I came out just fine in this deal. And yes, the Mazda 6 is sweet. Actually, everybody wins except my youngest daughter, who will have to drive the junkheap occasionally.

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I'm a Mazda 6 man, myself, but from the car's earlier incarnation (2006).


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I'm a Mazda 6 man, myself, but from the car's earlier incarnation (2006).

I'm sort of an all-things-Mazda man myself. I can't even afford Mazda at the moment. I'm hoping for a Miata, any vintage, soon. It is really my ideal car, unless something unexpected happens and I can afford a Boxter, any vintage, soon.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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My '98 Corolla nearly gave up the ghost a month ago when it suffered near-total electrical system burnout. Fortunately--or by the grace of God--I had just pulled into my driveway at the time. The repair work still cost less than a newish car, but it's getting to the point where this one's no fun any more. It's been years since I owned anything but a Toyota of some kind. Should I think about switching brands?


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What do you mean by newish? Deals are to be made in new car showrooms even as you read this. Only Ford made a profit last quarter among American makers. Last quarter. I'll bet they are the only ones except maybe Toyota and only because Toyota sold the lions share of the "clunker" replacements. And about the Cash For Clunkers, many are saying that that program bit mightily into September and, well, fourth quarter sales. Folks are desperate to sell something and nobody sees sales improving. Go for it.

Now used cars.... North Carolina isn't the best place for good prices on used cars in my experience. The best place is right here. Wow, what a difference a year makes. Used car prices seem a little steep. I figure it's competition from folks not buying new cars. And also those folks not buying new cars keeps some of those cars now owned off the used car lots. So, fewer used cars and more competition for the good ones.

Take your pick. GM and Ford are making real good cars right now. So are Honda, Nissan, and Toyota (though they have slipped a little, Toyota that is). Hundai is making real good cars right now and they are asking less than everyone else for comparable worth. Their two biggest cars are steals even before one might consider the desperation on the part of a dealer.

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"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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What do you mean by newish? ...Folks are desperate to sell something and nobody sees sales improving. Go for it.

I've never bought or owned a new car, so it feels sort of wrong, somehow.

Now used cars.... North Carolina isn't the best place for good prices on used cars in my experience. The best place is right here.

I don't recall where "right here" is, but it probably is better than NC.

Take your pick. GM and Ford are making real good cars right now. So are Honda, Nissan, and Toyota (though they have slipped a little, Toyota that is). Hundai is making real good cars right now and they are asking less than everyone else for comparable worth. Their two biggest cars are steals even before one might consider the desperation on the part of a dealer.

After the scary tale of erratic acceleration on new Toyotas, I'm looking much more kindly at Ford and Hyundai.


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Isn't narrative structure enough of an ideology for art? (Greg Wright)

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I don't recall where "right here" is, but it probably is better than NC.

Detroit. And it IS better than NC. My Dad lived in western NC until last year. We dragged him up here TWICE for "new" cars because the deals were better. Employee and family plans make for a lot of two year recycling around here. All that seems to have changed in the last year since I purchased my "newest" car during the $4 gas craze, a Ford mini-van.

After the scary tale of erratic acceleration on new Toyotas, I'm looking much more kindly at Ford and Hyundai.

No reason why you won't do well with either. If you feel guilty about new, try an '09 Sonata. You'll feel pampered, you won't spend too much for what you will get, it will be the newest "old" car possible with a 10 year warranty. It's a good car that is mentioned in the same sentence with the Accord which is the gold standard for that size even if it has become a bit bloated. It is worthy of comparison with the Honda though a bit less the car. The price? Heh, heh.


"During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933 [submitted by Franken, rk]. The three judges finally defined what constituted a 'legal' absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied the standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional basentees the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now 'illegal' according to the panel's own ex-post definition."

The Wall Street Journal editorial, April 18, 2009 concerning the Franken Coleman decision in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race of 2008.

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