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#1 User is offline   Ron Reed 

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:17 PM

Finally took another step out of the darkness of pop cultural illiteracy. Saw THE BIG LEBOWSKI.

Pretty funny. Fun performances.

At a certain point, I was trying to think what the movie reminded me of. Couldn't, so I said out loud "I've never seen a movie like this."

But not long after that The Dude arrived at the police chief's office, and I realized we were watching the Coens turn Chandler inside out. It's THE BIG SLEEP (and probably lots of other Philip Marlowe novels); Los Angeles, rich father hires dick to find nympho-porno daughter, blackmail, knotted plot.

Loved that final shot, the two monologues framed with strikes. Wonder how many takes? Depends how good the bowler was.

Love to hear what people make of this. There's more going on than meets the eye.

But how much more? It's seemed to me over the years that Christians make much of this movie. Surely it's not just because one of the bowlers is named Jesus. Or is there something going on with that that's eluding me? And it seems like there's something here about contrasting the rich and poor Lebowskis - one making a fetish of success and ambition (though in a wheelchair, living off his wife's money), the other mostly, well, just chilling. Sabbath stuff thrown in the mix. And that strange cowboy character, who's glad there's somebody out there like The Dude, "for all us sinners" (or something to that effect). Makes me think of the Marlowe character in Chandler's books, a "good man" in a mean world: is The Dude a similar sort of tarnished innocent?

Has anybody decoded this? Seems like a hodge-podge to me, but I'm willing to be enlightened.

Ron

P.S. And lest you think I'm making this stuff up, here's an excerpt from a CT piece related to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST that I liked. But now I'm wondering how LEBOWSKI fits with BREAKING THE WAVES or MAGNOLIA (and how LOST IN TRANSLATION fits with any of them, for that matter).

Madeleine L'Engle writes wittily that God "chooses his artists with as calm a disregard of surface moral qualifications as he chooses his saints." If God uses anyone he pleases to tell his stories, we never know when or where he is going to show up. We never know when a door might open to the numinous, and so we must be alert to all art.
In fact, we might pay attention to "secular" films even more for this reason. L'Engle continues, "If I cannot see evidence of incarnation in a painting of a bridge in the rain by Hokusai, a book by Chaim Potok or Isaac Bashevis Singer, in music by Bloch or Bernstein, then I will miss its significance in an Annunciation by Franciabigio, the final chorus of the St. Matthew Passion, the words of a sermon by John Donne." To translate this into modern, filmic terms: if we are unable to see hints of incarnation in Lars Von Trier's Breaking the Waves, Sofia Coppola's Lost in Translation, the Coen Brothers' Big Lebowski, P.T. Anderson's Magnolia—we are likely to miss the truth in Mel Gibson's The Passion of The Christ.


P.P.S. The conclusion of Chandler's "The Simple Art Of Murder";

In everything that can be called art there is a quality of redemption. It may be pure tragedy, if it is high tragedy, and it may be pity and irony, and it may be the raucous laughter of the strong man. But down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective in this kind of story must be such a man. He is the hero; he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor — by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world. I do not care much about his private life; he is neither a eunuch nor a satyr; I think he might seduce a duchess and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin; if he is a man of honor in one thing, he is that in all things.

He is a relatively poor man, or he would not be a detective at all. He is a common man or he could not go among common people. He has a sense of character, or he would not know his job. He will take no man's money dishonestly and no man's insolence without a due and dispassionate revenge. He is a lonely man and his pride is that you will treat him as a proud man or be very sorry you ever saw him. He talks as the man of his age talks — that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness.

The story is this man's adventure in search of a hidden truth, and it would be no adventure if it did not happen to a man fit for adventure. He has a range of awareness that startles you, but it belongs to him by right, because it belongs to the world he lives in. If there were enough like him, the world would be a very safe place to live in, without becoming too dull to be worth living in.


P.S. The above entry originally said "THE BIG CHILL" instead of "THE BIG SLEEP." Gratitude to Mr T'shuvah for pointing out that rather misleading - and slightly embarassing, for a Chandlophile such as myself - error.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 11:34 PM

Is that The Big Chill, or The Big Sleep? Wouldn't want to mistake Chandler for Kasdan. wink.gif

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 03:40 AM

Casting about for insight into this crazy movie, I checked out Overstreet, who's pretty convinced the film adds up to nothing, but does note
I suppose it is worth noting that in this bizarre landscape, the one who seems somewhat "heroic" is the one who treats people with common decency and an easygoing "cool" rather than prejudice, manipulation, and greed.
The Marlowe Effect.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 05:08 AM

there was a brief discussion about this film in another thread that you may be interested in visiting. i think it was a generic Coen Brothers thread with a poll about fave Coen films.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 03:55 AM

Zen and the art of Dudeliness
Jeff Bridges on the Big Lebowski
The Guardian, July 27

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 03:19 PM

The ultimate stocking stuffer for The Big Lebowski fan in your life...



I guess that this is actually a three character package... if you look closely, it also includes Donny! Too bad it doesn't include The Dude's rug... that really would have tied this set together.

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Posted 09 May 2008 - 02:10 PM

Upcoming book from Zondervan: The Dude Abides: The Gospel According to the Coen Brothers.

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Posted 09 May 2008 - 02:20 PM



I met Cathleen Falsani, the author, at the Calvin festival of faith and writing a couple of weeks ago, and it was a pleasant surprise. I've been reading her work here and there for years. (She's a Religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times.) after being a fan of her work for a long time. She approached me after my Through a Screen Darkly lecture to tell me that she was glad I'd brought up No Country for Old Men in the presentation, and went on to tell me about the book. It sounds very cool, but she's got another one coming out right now called Sin Boldly that looks interesting too. Can't wait to read either one of them.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 05:44 PM

I don't know if this Rabbi is for real or not. If he is, then God Bless him for having the cajones to write the following. It is one of the funniest responses I've ever read from a man of the cloth.

Warning!!!! This post contains extremely explicit language! If you are a fan of The Big Lebowski, then you'll know what to expect. All others beware.

Alan, if you need to give me a warning about this post, I'll completely understand.


QUOTE (RABBI ARTHUR SEGAL: JEWISH SPIRITUAL RENEWAL:JEWISH CONVERSION: THE BIG LEBOWSKI
EmailWritten by rabbiasegal on May-17-08 2:01pm
From: rabbiarthursegal.blogspot.com)
RABBI ARTHUR SEGAL: JEWISH SPIRITUAL RENEWAL:JEWISH CONVERSION: THE BIG LEBOWSKI

Shalom:

I received the below email with a simple question in it. While 99.99% of me felt I was being made the butt of a joke and having my time wasted, for the 0.01% I answered the question politely . Mishna Pirkie Avot 2:19 tells us : Rabbi Elazar said:" Know what to respond to a heretic.". You never know when you can turn someone's head back around toward God and to Torah. In a message dated 5/16/2008 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chrism_3388@yahoo.com writes:

''Can you unconvert me and reject my pidyon haben.''


Dear Chris M:

Judaism is not a bondage religion. If you were converted to Judaism as a baby and your father did the ancient ritual of pidyon ha ben to a Cohen or a rabbi of a coin, and now as an adult, you would prefer to be another religion, there is no de-conversion or an exist ceremony. The same is true if you converted to Judaism as an adult. Once you convert to the new religion of your choice you will be of that religion. However that Gates of Repentance are always open, and your conversion to Judaism is always valid. If you decide to return, no oath is required, just begin practicing as Jew again, as Bob Dylan did. If you decide to leave Judaism and not convert to something else, you will be one of many people who are just non- practicing or non- believing Jews. However Judaism is not like a vending machine and if you're unhappy with it, there is no one to apply to for getting your father's coin back. Rather than quoting Talmud, or Torah to you, let me quote you some modern Midrash, from the great Jewish Philosopher, Walter Sobchok, the friend of Jeffery [the Dude] Lebowski.

WALTER
I told that fuck down at the league
office-- who's in charge of
scheduling?

DUDE
Walter--

DONNY
Burkhalter.

WALTER
I told that kraut a fucking thousand
times I don't roll on shabbas.

DONNY
It's already posted.

WALTER
WELL THEY CAN FUCKING UN-POST IT!

DUDE
Who gives a shit, Walter? What about
that poor woman? What do we tell--

WALTER
C'mon Dude, eventually she'll get
sick of her little game and, you
know, wander back--

DONNY
How come you don't roll on Saturday,
Walter?

WALTER
I'm shomer shabbas.

DONNY
What's that, Walter?

DUDE
Yeah, and in the meantime what do I
tell Lebowski?

WALTER
Saturday is shabbas. Jewish day of
rest. Means I don't work, I don't
drive a car, I don't fucking ride in
a car, I don't handle money, I don't
turn on the oven, and I sure as shit
don't fucking roll!

DONNY
Sheesh.

DUDE
Walter, how--

WALTER
Shomer shabbas.

WALTER
I'm saying, I see what you're getting
at, Dude, he kept the money, but my
point is, here we are, it's shabbas,
the sabbath, which I'm allowed to
break only if it's a matter of life
and death--

DUDE
Walter, come off it. You're not
even fucking Jewish, you're--

WALTER
What the fuck are you talking about?

DUDE
You're fucking Polish Catholic--

WALTER
What the fuck are you talking about?
I converted when I married Cynthia!
Come on, Dude!

DUDE
Yeah, and you were--

WALTER
You know this!

DUDE
And you were divorced five fucking
years ago.

WALTER
Yeah? What do you think happens
when you get divorced? You turn in
your library card? Get a new driver's
license? Stop being Jewish?

DUDE
This driveway.

AS HE TURNS:

WALTER
I'm as Jewish as fucking Tevye

DUDE
It's just part of your whole sick
Cynthia thing. Taking care of her
fucking dog. Going to her fucking
synagogue. You're living in the
fucking past.

WALTER
Three thousand years of beautiful
tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax--
YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I LIVE IN THE
PAST! I--Jesus. What the hell
happened?

If you decide to stick with your conversion, like Walter, and have some serious questions about making your Jewish experience a real spiritual and joyous one, please write back. RabbiASegal@aol.com .

Shalom, Rabbi Arthur Segal


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Posted 18 September 2008 - 10:15 AM

Hoffman, Moore Ready To Roll In Proposed ‘Big Lebowski’ Sequel
Now, with yet another special edition release hitting store shelves (this one shaped like a bowling ball), the buzz has begun building around a “Lebowski” sequel. And now, two more co-stars say they’re on board if John Turturro can talk the Coen Brothers into making Jesus rise once again.
MTV Movies Blog, September 18

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 10:50 AM

I could put Chris Orr's ranking of all the Coen Brothers films in any of the related threads, but since this one was right near the top of the "Film" threads today, I choose to place it here. The placement gives me license to highlight Orr's take on the (still, to me) inexplicably well loved Lebowski

And yes, yes, yes, I know: I rated Lebowski twenty spots too low. My failure to appreciate its genius calls into question my judgment on the Coens, on cinema, and on life generally. You will not be the first person to tell me this, nor the twenty-first. In defense of such indefensible heresy, I can only say that while there is a lot I love in Lebowski--starting with Walter Sobchak, one of the best characters to appear onscreen in the last 30 years--I nonetheless find its randomness disappointing. The nihilists, the dream sequences, the cowboy narrator, Julianne Moore's performance-art heiress eager to be impregnated by a layabout--though the elements are individually clever, there's little or no logic to them; they fit together mostly just because the Coens tell us they do. (And, yes, I understand this is a satire of a sprawling, unruly, Chandlerian plot.) Call it the "Family Guy" conundrum: When writers give themselves license to go anywhere for a joke, regardless of context or consistency, I tend to find the resulting jokes less funny. :

Great list overall, with some follow-up comments from Orr to the factions who want to argue his placement of various Coens films.

Best thing about the list: He gets the Top 2 right, although I might reverse them on any given day. It was good to come across this list today, as I was planning to sit down for a second viewing of No Country in the next day or two. In the dedicated No Country thread, I mentioned after seeing it that it's the only Coen film that rivals Miller's Crossing for the top slot.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 10:56 AM

Wow, I really, really disagree with that list. I must value very different things about their films. And, since I'm compelled to post a Coen list any time I see a Coen list I disagree with...

MASTERPIECES
1 - Raising Arizona
2 - Barton Fink
3 - Fargo
4 - Miller's Crossing

[/list]
NEAR-MASTERPIECES
5 - The Hudsucker Proxy
6 - The Big Lebowski
7 - No Country for Old Men

INSPIRED, BUT FLAWED
8 - Blood Simple
9 - O Brother, Where Art Thou?
10 - The Man Who Wasn't There
11 - Burn After Reading
12 - Intolerable Cruelty

MISGUIDED
13 - The Ladykillers

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 11:01 AM

I agree with the top three, but then would leapfrog down to the bottom half and bring several of those titles up.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Overstreet @ Sep 18 2008, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I really, really disagree with that list.


Agreed, and probably for different reasons than you, too. One thing I love about the Coen brothers: they're among the few directors of the past 20 years that have such a wide and diverse filmography that invite — demand — conversation. Of the countless people that will see that list and thing "I don't agree," it's probably because they've seen ALL of the movies there (or at least most of them) and are passionate enough about them to want to rank them according to their preference.

Seeing that list, I realize I own almost all of their movies, and even the ones that I don't like over all (which are precious few) contain elements that are genius. Even though I'm prone to forgetting this, but the Coens are my favorite modern filmmakers.



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Posted 18 September 2008 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Christian @ Sep 18 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can only say that while there is a lot I love in Lebowski--starting with Walter Sobchak, one of the best characters to appear onscreen in the last 30 years--


Yes, the only reason worth watching this movie multiple times. I commented in the Burn After Reading thread about how Goodman single-handedly rescues any appreciation I have for the Coens via Walter. The way he brings actual depth to Sobchak in the "scattering the ashes" scene is startling. He becomes timid, vulnerable, one point of believable authenticity in a film with an excess of caricature. Takes us right back to the authenticity of characters in Raising Arizona. For once all the little ironic details they pile on characters pan out here in Walter, and he transcends the tiny little determined channel the Coens have planned for him. If you can't tell, I pretty much exactly agree with Orr here on Lebowski.

QUOTE (Overstreet @ Sep 18 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, I really, really disagree with that list. I must value very different things about their films. And, since I'm compelled to post a Coen list any time I see a Coen list I disagree with...

MASTERPIECES
1 - Raising Arizona
2 - Barton Fink
3 - Fargo
4 - Miller's Crossing


If I were permitted to put The Man Who Wasn't There in the number three slot, this would be my list as well. They do well at genre imitation, and this is picture perfect noir. Barton Fink is a wonderful take on the creative process.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 11:35 AM

I thought this had been referenced, I was mistaken.

"Watching The Big Lebowski in 2008, it becomes clear that appreciating Walter is essential to understanding what the Coen brothers are up to in this movie, which is slyer, more political, and more prescient than many of its fans have recognized. Perhaps that's because Walter, with his bellowing, Old Testament righteousness and his deeply entrenched militarism, is an American type that barely registered on the pop-culture landscape 10 years ago. He's a neocon."

Walter Sobchak, Neocon The prescient politics of The Big Lebowski.
By David Haglund
Posted Thursday, Sept. 11, 2008( This posting date may be why I didn't get back to it right away.)

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 04:16 PM

'The Achievers: The Story of the Lebowski Fans' explores the Dude phenomenon
The Coen brothers' 'The Big Lebowski' has achieved cult status. Eddie Chung's film tries to figure out why.
Los Angeles Times, July 30

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 09:15 PM

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What the heck?

Anyway --

It is amazing how i loathed this film when I first saw it due to the graphic nature of its language. I saw it as just, NO NEED for all the F-bombs. Which may still be true -- I may have simply hardened in that area (or learned that it doesn't matter as much as I once thought it did).

The point being, I've been sick, I've been laying around the house in my pajamas and bathrobe (not that there's anything uncommon about that but now that I've got a cold, I've got an excuse, and nobody can make me change my mind!), and feeling just generally miserable, and I've been stoked about the new Coens that's coming out in a few weeks... And I watched this tonight, and it brought such fun to me.

Gosh, I love the Coens. May their work be blessed, may they continue in their wonderful ways. God bless 'em, think I'll hit my knees and remember them in my prayers tonight.

THE DUDE ABIDES smile.gif


edit: Does anyone know the film in which the F-bomb was used for the first time? I don't know the answer. I think it'd be a great trivia question. My guess is that if anyone of us knows, Pete Chattaway knows.

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Persona @ Oct 3 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
edit: Does anyone know the film in which the F-bomb was used for the first time? I don't know the answer. I think it'd be a great trivia question. My guess is that if anyone of us knows, Pete Chattaway knows.


If he doesn't, he is now duty bound to look it up and find out. laugh.gif

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 10:11 PM

From the Wikipedia entry for, uh, um, well, uh, anyway, from somewhere in Wikipedia: "The films Ulysses and I'll Never Forget What's'isname (both 1967) are contenders for being the first film to use the [F-bomb], although...[F-bomb]ing is clearly mouthed silently in the film Sink the Bismarck! (1960), and the title character says it in the cartoon Bosko's Picture Show (1933)."

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