Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:17 AM
Posted 06 March 2010 - 03:44 PM
Just an FYI.
Huh. I just Googled to find the information about the cast similarities. Turns out that review I linked concludes with this, which might be of interest to the Arts & Faith crowd:
The movie is never that good again. "Brooklyn's Finest" has a biblical sense of justice to go along with all the Christian iconography peppered throughout. But the movie becomes less interesting once you realize that the characters' fates are inextricably linked to their actions - once you know that no bad deed will go unpunished and that, unlike in the real world (or "The Wire"), sin always carries comeuppance here. By turning "Brooklyn's Finest" into a morality tale, Fuqua lets the movie slip right through his undeniably talented fingers.
Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:17 AM
I'm encouraged by the word that THE WIRE gets better as it goes on, but having started season two, I'm finding it a bit of a slog. The stuff with the dock workers is boring me senseless.
Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:36 AM
Stick with it. It's a little slow-moving development wise, but the story gets more and more involved as the season goes on.
Still, I find it odd that so many people don't like the stevedore story arc. It's one of my personal favorite, especially since I grew attached to Frank Sobotka.
Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:54 AM
Posted 06 August 2010 - 10:10 AM
Posted 06 August 2010 - 11:58 AM
Posted 07 August 2010 - 12:24 AM
We just finished watching the entire series again (in about 2.5 weeks, we discovered it goes a lot faster the second time through) and we love it even more. We talk about it over dinner, we hum the theme song, and every day since we've finished it we actually consider starting over at 1.01. There's really just nothing like this show. The writing, the acting, the direction, the story, the characters, the socio-political implications, everything. It has kind of ruined everything else on TV for us. Shows we used to love like LOST and Dexter often feel like they strike false/cheesy notes. Anyway, this is nothing that hasn't already been said in this thread.
The first time we went through the show I thought season 4 towered above the rest. However, this most recent time through I think I enjoyed season 5 the most. I love the dark comedy of that season. And some of the more controversial plots throughout the season (you know what I'm talking about) don't really bother me. I also loved the resolutions that season 5 provides. I think the 90-minute finale is my favorite episode of the series. It has so many great moments like
Since a few people did this earlier in the thread, I'll contribute my own personal ranking:
1. Season 4 (flawless, the four kids are terrific, definitely the most heartbreaking season)
2. Season 5 (hilarious, I love how the series ends, I tell people that they have no idea how great the show is until they can step back and see the entire story)
3. Season 1 (great intro to the city and characters, somehow this is the season I always remember the most vividly)
4. Season 2 (often viewed as the weakest, I think this season is great because of the terrifically tragic story of the port characters, also the Tom Waits' theme song gives this one an edge in my book)
5. Season 3 (saying that this is my least favorite season of The Wire is like saying that it is better than 99% of all other television seasons ever. Some of the shows best moments are here, but the city hall aspects of this season are the least interesting points of the entire series for me)
A final note re: season 3:
Edited by Gavin Breeden, 07 August 2010 - 12:29 AM.
Posted 07 August 2010 - 04:01 PM
Them: "The Wire, huh? It's only on cable or DVD? I'll have to give it a try ... sometime (forgets The Wire), have you seen Bones or Burn Notice? I think you'd really appreciate the humor."
Me: "No, you don't understand. Something has changed in our generation. TV shows aren't the same anymore. It's like -"
Them: "I think it'd be pretty hard to top Lost. The plot in Lost was just so intricate and well-crafted - just such a great show. Epic really."
Me: "The plot in Lost ... ah ... I'm, huh ... amah ... you just don't ... gah ... how do I do this?"
Posted 07 August 2010 - 04:52 PM
Posted 07 August 2010 - 11:27 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean. When I talk about it or recommend it to people, I always get the same reaction. "I've never heard of that." Then I start by saying "Well, it follows a few cops in Baltimore--" "Oh, so it's like CSI or NYPD Blue?," they say. "No. No, it isn't." When I say it's the best show ever people think I'm just speaking in hyperbole (because I often do). But in this case, that's the truth.
Yeah, I certainly don't recommend it to everyone. I know some people wouldn't find it interesting and others would find it offensive. It certainly is not a show for everyone and that's fine.
Interestingly, I think the sex scenes are one of the few missteps in the series because they never fail to take me out of the world of The Wire and remind me that I'm watching an HBO TV show. Also, I don't think most of the sex scenes really serve a purpose and that is troubling for me in a show where "all the pieces matter" and everything seems very careful and intentional. There is at least one exception though.
Edited by Gavin Breeden, 08 August 2010 - 01:31 AM.
Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:29 AM
Oh, and my concerns about season 2 have completely disappeared. Season 2 rocks.
Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:40 AM
Does your friend also say that dogs can't look up?
paging Simon Pegg
Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:04 PM
Then there’s The Wire, the show The Shield wants to be ... The Wire follows a narcotics squad that has succeeded in getting wiretaps on a drug dealer’s pagers and favourite pay phones. While the detectives battle to collect evidence, they must constantly watch their backs as superior officers seek to shut the operation down. The internal police politics portrayed here are both breathtakingly cynical and utterly believable.
Real moral complexity can be hard to pull off, especially on TV. The viewer’s urge to see conventional justice must be bravely resisted. The Wire features some of the most complex villains/heroes you’ll ever see. One of the best is D’Angelo Barksdale, a young drug dealer who has committed a heinous murder and yet emerges as one of The Wire’s moral centers. The Wire plays off the beat like good jazz. In fact the show is so determined to undermine dramatic TV convention that occasionally it can be infuriating. Key developments other shows would milk for obvious thrills sometimes occur off-screen, referred to only in passing. Other scenes are never explicitly resolved—the viewer must draw the appropriate conclusions. And pay attention.
Posted 21 September 2010 - 12:54 PM
UHF: One vote here for Homicide as best cop show ever. I miss it terribly but just as glad that it didn't hang around past its pull date. Best episode: the one where the guy gets wedged between a subway car and the platform - I get chills just thinking about it.
Tom Shales: And another vote from me -- I think. You know, some people prefer the event grittier grittiness of THE WIRE, a cable show, but Homicide is my favorite among cop sagas as well. And what a great cast. I dont think any of them have gone on to projects nearly as superior as Homicide was......
I watched Homicide during its entire run, following it from one night to another as it was moved around the schedule. It faded some in its final season, but was so good during its first couple of years that it could afford to slack off a bit.
Years later, I have fond memories of many characters on the show. That’s not something I can say to the same extent with The Wire, who are memorable for a variety of reasons, but to whom I never warmed, unlike the Homicide characters. That’s probably what sets Homicide slightly apart from The Wire for me, although I did love The Wire.
Edited by Christian, 21 September 2010 - 12:56 PM.
Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:01 PM
Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:10 PM
Posted 21 September 2010 - 02:18 PM
I thought it was here at A&F that I also made a hesitant claim that I like Homocide better in the long run. But I feel as if the comparison is largely apples and oranges. The characters are constructed differently, the story arcs are presented differently, etc...
Homicide certainly pushed harder on convention given its prime time context. The Wire is what happens when good TV writers are given as much room to play as they want to, which is a freedom Homicide never enjoyed.
Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:22 PM
This is a pretty accurate statement, I think. I love Homicide, for what it's worth (I'm glad I italicized that!), but I have to disagree with Christian...as perfect as the first few seasons were (and they really were), they started losing me each season after that.
But lovable characters in the Wire? I don't know if a week goes by that I don't think about one of them with a smile.