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[Peter T Chattaway]

Overstreet wrote:
: I can't seem to find a thread for the first Sam Raimi Spider-man movie. Surely there was one!

Not necessarily. You and I saw the first film with Steve Lansingh back in 2002, when we were all participants in the Chiaroscuro message board; the A&F board didn't go live until the summer of 2003.

(Does the A&F board still host an archive of the older discussion board? Or do we have to pin all our hopes now on web.archive.org?)

[Peter T Chattaway]

FWIW, various sites are reporting that Emma Stone has been hired to play Gwen Stacy.

In other news, I was able to track down the following threads on the original film, on the old Novogate board:

• 'Spider-man -UPDATED- with Movieguide review' (Apr 29 - May 9, 2002)
  
• 'I saw "Spider-Man"!', page two (May 2 - 6, 2002)
  
• 'spider-man, shadowlands, son of paleface' (May 5 - 16, 2002)

Enjoy!

[Thom Wade]

Huh...I had seen reports that she was up for Mary Jane Watson...not Gwen... I take it they are going a different direction all together?

[CrimsonLine]

My understanding is that Mary Jane will be in the film, but not as a love interest. Gwen Stacy will be the love interest.

[Thom Wade]

Hmmm... interesting. Marvel had spent decades with MJ as love of Peter Parker...even going as far as having a series set in high school title Mary Jane Loves pider-Man...but ever since the ejected the marriage, they have gone out of their way to downplay it...appears that is extending to the other mediums as well.

[CrimsonLine]

Well, historically, Gwen Stacy came first in the comics... no?

[SDG]

CrimsonLine, on 07 October 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

Well, historically, Gwen Stacy came first in the comics... no?

No.

[Thom Wade]

Nope. Tecnically, we met Mary Jane in June 1965, Gwen first appeared in November 1965. Her face was obscured, and Peter met her in in # 42 of ASM. Peter dated both, before Gwen became his exclusive girlfriend. This was back in the more realistic and relatable days of the Spider-Man comics that Joe Quesada of Marvel longed for...you know... when models competed for the affections of science nerds.

[Bobbin Threadbare]

In comics there is a definite divide between newer & older Spider-Man fans over Mary Jane/Gwen Stacey. Gwen Stacy is generally preferred by older fans(presumably those who read the stories starring her in the 60s & 70s) and is highlighted in books like Marvels or Spider-Man: Blue. Generally, Gwen Stacy is Spider-Man/Peter Parker's "first love," while Mary Jane is the one he eventually settled down with. To further confuse things, the recent( & AWESOME) Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane series introduces Gwen Stacy as a new arrival in town who quickly becomes Mary Jane's rival for Peter's affections.

Is it considered spoilers to talk about Gwen Stacy's fate in the comics? It's been 37 years after all.

[CrimsonLine]

Bobbin Threadbare, on 07 October 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

Is it considered spoilers to talk about Gwen Stacy's fate in the comics? It's been 37 years after all.

No, definitely not a spoiler. But if Venom is truly the villain in this Spider-Man film, it sounds like her fate may not be the same as in the comics. Besides, they already did the "choose between this falling cable car and your girlfriend" thing in the first Spider-Man movie.

[SDG]

CrimsonLine, on 07 October 2010 - 05:08 PM, said:

Bobbin Threadbare, on 07 October 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

Is it considered spoilers to talk about Gwen Stacy's fate in the comics? It's been 37 years after all.

No, definitely not a spoiler. But if Venom is truly the villain in this Spider-Man film, it sounds like her fate may not be the same as in the comics. Besides, they already did the "choose between this falling cable car and your girlfriend" thing in the first Spider-Man movie.

But this movie is a reboot, right?

[CrimsonLine]

I think so, but if they essentially duplicate the scene that was in the first movie, which is straight out of the Death of Gwen Stacy storyline, I think it will feel way too derivative.

[Peter T Chattaway]

Yeah, they've already said they're not going to use the Green Goblin in this movie -- at least not in any prominent way -- because he was already kind of over-exposed in the Sam Raimi trilogy. (And it was the Green Goblin who killed Gwen Stacy in the original comics, right?) So I wouldn't be surprised if they avoided other prominent plot elements from the first three movies as well.

[Overstreet]

Press release:

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Rhys Ifans will play the villain, opposite Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker and Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy, in the next installment of Spider-Man from Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios, it was announced today by Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment and Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures.The film, to be directed by Marc Webb from a screenplay by James Vanderbilt and produced by Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will begin production in December and will be released in theaters nationwide in 3D on July 3, 2012.

Commenting on the announcement, Tolmach said, “We have been very fortunate to attract some of the best actors working today to play the villains in the Spider-Man movies, and it is exciting to see that trend continue with Rhys Ifans. After seeing his performance in our upcoming film Anonymous, we’re in awe of his talent and think he’s the perfect choice to take on this role.”

The filmmakers prefer to not reveal which character Ifans will be playing in the forthcoming film.

Webb added, “What sets the Spider-Man villains apart is the complexity of their relationships with Peter Parker. Rhys' incredible ability to embody both warmth and rage makes him the ideal choice for this character.

Spider-Man is being overseen at the studio by Tolmach and Rachel O'Connor. Ifans is represented by United Talent Agency, Brillstein Entertainment Partners, and Independent Talent Group.

RHYS IFANS’ breakout performance came in 1999 in Roger Michell’s Notting Hill, opposite Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant, for which he received a BAFTA Film Award nomination for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role. Prior to that, Ifans starred in Heart, Twin Town, August, and Dancing at Lughnasa, and since then, he has appeared in more than 20 films, including Vanity Fair; Rancid Aluminium, Little Nicky; The Replacements; Hannibal Rising, Enduring Love; Human Nature; Formula 51; Hotel; The Shipping News; Once Upon A Time in the Midlands, Elizabeth: The Golden Age, Pirate Radio; Greenberg; and Nanny McPhee and the Big Bang. He will next appear in Mr. Nice, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Passion Play, and Columbia Pictures’ Anonymous, for director Roland Emmerich.

On television, he played the role of Peter Cook in Terry Johnson’s “Not Only But Always,” for which he won the BAFTA TV Award for Best Actor. He also appeared in “A Number.” In the theatre, Ifans has appeared in “Accidental Death of an Anarchist,” “Bad Finger,” “Volpone,” “Under Milk Wood,” “Beautiful Thing,” “Thyesters,” and, most recently, Patrick Marber's adaptation of “Don Juan in Soho” at the Donmar Warehouse.

Edited by Overstreet, 11 October 2010 - 01:40 PM.

[CrimsonLine]

Well, if it's Rhys Ifans, then the villain certainly ain't the Rhino.

[Thom Wade]

CrimsonLine, on 11 October 2010 - 02:48 PM, said:

Well, if it's Rhys Ifans, then the villain certainly ain't the Rhino.

I don't know...I recall when Topher Grace was cast, people saying he cannot possibly be Venom...

[SDG]

Nezpop, on 12 October 2010 - 07:23 AM, said:

CrimsonLine, on 11 October 2010 - 02:48 PM, said:

Well, if it's Rhys Ifans, then the villain certainly ain't the Rhino.

I don't know...I recall when Topher Grace was cast, people saying he cannot possibly be Venom...

Oh, I don't know. Skinny Venom is revisionist but imaginable. Skinny Rhino is pretty much unimaginable.

[morgan1098]

SDG, on 12 October 2010 - 08:43 AM, said:

Nezpop, on 12 October 2010 - 07:23 AM, said:

CrimsonLine, on 11 October 2010 - 02:48 PM, said:

Well, if it's Rhys Ifans, then the villain certainly ain't the Rhino.

I don't know...I recall when Topher Grace was cast, people saying he cannot possibly be Venom...

Oh, I don't know. Skinny Venom is revisionist but imaginable. Skinny Rhino is pretty much unimaginable.

Yeah, but what about "Rhino played by a skinny actor but then beefed-up in post-production using the magic of CG"? Ick.

[Peter T Chattaway]

TheWrap.com is reporting that Ifans will play the Lizard.

[SDG]

Peter T Chattaway, on 13 October 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

TheWrap.com is reporting that Ifans will play the Lizard.

Now, THAT could work.