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[bowen]

phlox, on 05 December 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

might be fun to re-boot a woman from Kirk’s early days –Ruth, Janice Lester, Janet Wallace, Ariel Shaw, Yeoman Rand, Carol Marcus, etc.

Reboot ONE woman? Why not reboot them all, in the same movie. "Kirk's Women", anyone?

[NBooth]

bowen, on 05 December 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

phlox, on 05 December 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

might be fun to re-boot a woman from Kirk’s early days –Ruth, Janice Lester, Janet Wallace, Ariel Shaw, Yeoman Rand, Carol Marcus, etc.

Reboot ONE woman? Why not reboot them all, in the same movie. "Kirk's Women", anyone?

Only if we get a scene where Kirk has to run between multiple rooms and keep each from knowing that the others are next door.

[NBooth]

Looks like Del Toro won't be boldly going anywhere.

And Vulture says the villain's Khan.

[Peter T Chattaway]

NBooth wrote:
: Looks like Del Toro won't be boldly going anywhere.
: And Vulture says the villain's Khan.

Some people have noted that talks between Del Toro and the producers broke down last Wednesday -- and it was on Friday that Latino Review said "Benicio Del Toro is playing Khan", to which J.J. Abrams replied by telling Hitfix "Not true." So it may be that what Abrams was REALLY denying was not that the villain is Khan, but that Del Toro would be playing him.

[Thom Wade]

Peter T Chattaway, on 05 December 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

At least one other RoboCop veteran has appeared in a Star Trek movie, namely Kurtwood Smith, who played the Federation President who is almost assassinated in ST6:TUC. Smith played other characters on a couple of the TV shows, too, and I'm sure a number of the other RoboCop actors, such as Ray Wise, did too.

Miguel Ferrer was in Star Trek III.

[Peter T Chattaway]

Nezpop wrote:
: Miguel Ferrer was in Star Trek III.

Ah, good catch. Although Ferrer was not a RoboCop veteran at the time -- ST3:TSFS was made three years EARLIER.

[Thom Wade]

True...I was more thinking Robocop connections.

I was sure Ronny Cox had appeared on Next Generation, but I don't see any ST credits for him...

[Peter T Chattaway]

Nezpop wrote:
: I was sure Ronny Cox had appeared on Next Generation, but I don't see any ST credits for him...

Yep, I vaguely remembered that too, but since he didn't appear in any of the ST movies, I didn't track him down. Here is his Star Trek wiki page, though.

[NBooth]

phlox, on 06 December 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

So if Khan is in the new film – whatever it’s called --the story line connects him and Kirk before the Botany Bay is discovered, where he’s been in suspended animation for 2 centuries? Or is there going to be another time warp? I would have flunked temporal mechanics J

Presumably the former. And you know, it could be interesting to see a bigscreen version of "Space Seed," though I doubt the filmmakers would bother to differentiate between TWOK-Khan and "SS"-Khan.

Still not sold on the idea, though.

Edited by NBooth, 06 December 2011 - 05:05 PM.

[Peter T Chattaway]

NBooth wrote:
: And you know, it could be interesting to see a bigscreen version of "Space Seed," though I doubt the filmmakers would bother to differentiate between TWOK-Khan and "SS"-Khan.

That is one of the BIGGEST problems I fear I will have with this film. Although, the screenwriters HAVE been involved in a comic-book series that re-imagines episodes from the original series as they might have taken place within this new timeline. So perhaps they will be sensitive to this after all.

Drew McWeeny, incidentally, floated the possibility that the Khan of this new timeline doesn't necessarily have to be a villain, if the circumstances around his thawing-out are different. But I can't see any way around the character's villainy, given that he was once a tyrant on Earth who apparently fled after being defeated or something; this character has always been about pride, arrogance and ambition, even before he became obsessed with revenge against Kirk.

[Thom Wade]

phlox, on 06 December 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

The TNG credit for Ronny Cox is there, on IMDb -- “Chain of Command.” He was Capt. Jellico.

So, I was not losing my mind. I must have skimmed over it when looking at the imdb list.

[NBooth]

phlox, on 07 December 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

I’m scratching my head trying to figure out how they’re going to bring Khan back …

He was in stasis on the Botany Bay from 1996 to 2267 when Kirk boarded his ship.
Then “Space Seed” sends Khan into exile with his comrades. For 15 years no one visits his colony on Ceti Alpha 5, until the Reliant comes along and TWOK begins.

there's just no wiggle room - ! but what do I know.

Ah, but that was in the Prime timeline. We're in a whole new world now. Khan's still on the Botany Bay, in stasis, and hasn't been awakened yet. And The Wrath of Khan is never going to happen in this timeline. So the field's wide open.

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Anyway - since he was a Sikh from northern India, maybe they should go for an Indian actor.
Amazingly, these Bollywood stars are all named Khan - !
first names are Inram, Aamir, Salman, and Shahrukh



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Heh. Tor.com had the same idea. I certainly would prefer it, but not as much as I would prefer not having Khan make an appearance at all.

[Anna J]

phlox, on 07 December 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Anyway - since he was a Sikh from northern India, maybe they should go for an Indian actor.
Amazingly, these Bollywood stars are all named Khan - !
first names are Inram, Aamir, Salman, and Shahrukh

[Overstreet]

The new front-runner for Del Toro's replacement: Edgar "Carlos" Ramirez!

Wow. If the role is, indeed, Khan, then that really, really works for me.

Edited by Overstreet, 07 December 2011 - 05:04 PM.

[Peter T Chattaway]

Entertainment Weekly speaks to Peter Weller's agent:

“Of course J.J. Abrams is very tight-lipped about his projects,” said agent Todd Eisner, “but I do know that it’s a substantial role and that Peter is playing a C.E.O.”

A CEO? Like, a businessman? A capitalist? Do they even HAVE those in the 23rd century? The Memory Alpha entry on 'Free-enterprise System' mentions only one human or Federation example of a capitalist, namely Harry Mudd -- though I guess we could also point to Cyrano Jones, the guy who made his money selling Tribbles. But those were individual merchants; they did not represent corporate entities of any sort, not even of the small-business variety!

Beaks @ Ain't It Cool News wonders if Weller's character might be one of the 20th-century people who created Khan and his fellow supermen in the first place.

[mrmando]

Peter T Chattaway, on 16 December 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

A CEO? Like, a businessman? A capitalist? Do they even HAVE those in the 23rd century?

Well, ST:DS9 is full of them; Ferengi culture is all about unbridled capitalism. Morn, the silent Lurian barfly of DS9, is said to operate a shipping business.

There's an ST:TNG episode where a capitalist wakes up from suspended animation expecting that the investments he made 300 years ago will have made him wealthy. When he finds out that the Federation doesn't use money, he takes the news pretty hard.

[Peter T Chattaway]

mrmando wrote:
: Well, ST:DS9 is full of them; Ferengi culture is all about unbridled capitalism.

Right, that's why I bracketed the Ferengi off in my earlier post (when I noted that there was only one "human / Federation" merchant listed in the Memory Alpha entry on capitalism).

: There's an ST:TNG episode where a capitalist wakes up from suspended animation expecting that the investments he made 300 years ago will have made him wealthy. When he finds out that the Federation doesn't use money, he takes the news pretty hard.

Yeah, Star Trek has been pretty much all over the map on this subject. The original series featured references to SOME sort of currency exchange, hence the Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones episodes. But then ST4:TVH -- "the one with the whales" -- made a couple of off-hand gags about people in the future not using money any more (hence Kirk can't pay for the pizza that Gillian ordered), and then when Next Generation got off the ground a year later, Gene Roddenberry apparently decided that no one in the future would be using money any more. But reality has had a way of intruding on various episodes from time to time.

Edited by Peter T Chattaway, 17 December 2011 - 11:13 AM.

[Anders]

Peter T Chattaway, on 17 December 2011 - 11:12 AM, said:

Yeah, Star Trek has been pretty much all over the map on this subject. The original series featured references to SOME sort of currency exchange, hence the Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones episodes. But then ST4:TVH -- "the one with the whales" -- made a couple of off-hand gags about people in the future not using money any more (hence Kirk can't pay for the pizza that Gillian ordered), and then when Next Generation got off the ground a year later, Gene Roddenberry apparently decided that no one in the future would be using money any more. But reality has had a way of intruding on various episodes from time to time.

Yeah, Roddenbery was a bit off on some of that. I mean, being socialist or even, communist, does not entail the complete absence of some form of exchange. The real question is whether one bases that system on the accumulation of "capital" or not.

[Peter T Chattaway]

Anders wrote:
: I mean, being socialist or even, communist, does not entail the complete absence of some form of exchange. The real question is whether one bases that system on the accumulation of "capital" or not.

The page I linked to includes a fascinating reference to how, on Voyager, the limited resources forced the crew of Janeway's ship to ration their food etc., and how these rations ended up becoming a form of currency among the shipmates. That sounds like a really interesting idea, though I don't know that I trust that show to have explored it all that well.

I also took a look at the page for the 'Devil in the Dark' episode from the original series -- that's the one where the Horta (or the "giant pizza monster", as my friends called it) attacks some miners who have mistaken its eggs for rocks of some sort -- to see if there is any reference to currency there, and it doesn't seem that there is. Still, the fact that human beings are still working in the mines a few centuries from now leads me to wonder how seriously we can take Picard's claim that the Federation has eliminated all form of want, that people simply strive to "better themselves". Do these miners really receive no pay? Do they really work on these far-flung planets simply because they enjoy it? If people lost interest in working in the mines, and if they no longer mined the various minerals that make starships possible etc., the Federation would be okay with this and wouldn't have to worry about keeping its fleets going?

[NBooth]

An anonymous source is claiming that the villain isn't Khan, but that it is a TOS character:

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It’s definitely a character that will make fans of TOS excited. Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named.

Now, the blogger who received the tip thinks Mitchell's the most likely contender, but the character's already been done in the Abrams-verse comic book series.

So if the source is legit, I'm hoping for Harry Mudd. Although Liberace-in-space Trelane would be entertaining, to say the least.

Of course, given that we know a character will be a businessman of some sort, the Horta would also make sense, I guess. Though how they could structure a feature around it is more than I could say. They could try an Alien-style approach, but since we already know what the Horta's up to, that wouldn't make for very gripping viewing, would it?

Edited by NBooth, 19 December 2011 - 06:32 PM.