Peter T Chattaway wrote:
:Just wondering: Why do people assume that any genuine premonitions a man might have must, of necessity, come from a deity of some sort?
I guess because we arguably live in a religious society, we sometimes put these assumptions onto the film (films).
:Ah, but if God is part of the picture here, then it was God's choice to give one man those warnings and no one else. So do the people bear ALL the blame for choosing not to heed the man's warnings?
The Bible, at least, gives us an "explanation" in the sense that it says Noah was the only righteous man of his era, or something like that. So either God chose him because he was righteous, or he was receptive to the warning because he was righteous. But would such an "explanation" work for a film like this?
When I wrote "the peoples choice" I was thinking more in the context of "the People" referring to general people who have received any warnings. So in the case of the film it would be mainly Curtis' with the slight possibility of his wife and others. I was talking in a more general sense of how prophecy works, being that people can, and have (possibly still do - depending on ones understanding of this) rejected these warnings. Thus I was saying that this rejection of the prophecies have little bearning on God's intention in giving them, and not really that all of the townsfolk in the film had any culpability. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I was trying to say.
Also as to my quote you had touched on, when I referred to God. In the instance of what I was trying to say about Prophecy I was using the example of a loving God, partially in response to what Ryan had said about Demi-Urge being " Whatever God is at work in TAKE SHELTER is a Demiurge. "
I truly didn't read the film that way. I saw the prophecies as ultimately with a helpful intention. Sure - arguably that could be a wrong reading, but my main intention was to communicate this take on the film.
As well later I had mentioned what was happening as coming from "the Power", indicating that it wasn't necessarily coming from the "God" of Christian understanding. So I guess my view on what caused the premonitions flip flops depending on the context of the conversation about the film, and is partially speculative. Hope that makes sense.
Of course the film isn't clear about what's going on there, which fits with what Ryan said about being frustrated with the film's ambiguities. Part of me fully agrees with this, but then there is the other side of me which says that....because of the film's ambiguities we are put in the same place as Curtis in not having a full grasp of what's going on, so then through this we more easily connect and emphasize with Curtis and his story, as we are somewhat in his shoes.
Edited by Attica, 27 February 2012 - 03:03 AM.