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  1. That was beautifully done, a fitting remembrance of a complex, but profoundly Christian, artist. jon
  2. Persistence of Waffles... my loooong post I composed somehow got flushed completely. No one removed it. I think I did something myself. But argh, I had spent some time on it. Oh, well. I'll perhaps have time tomorrow or something to scribe those questions you wanted... Re feminism, I'd love to have a discussion on it. Just not sure this is the venue. Maybe we should all get together at the Gender Revolution Tent next year, and pose for a photo op by the banner (that's a bad joke based on the thread about CBE elsewhere here). Blessings, Jon
  3. I hear that! In fact, I just spotted a Billy Graham interview done by Newsweek where he basically talked about focusing on the central things of the faith more. It was a fairly moving, and thought-provoking, interivew. Your line about 'there just isn't time' is sort of what he was saying. I slowly have been trying to educate myself on the science of the evolution debate, mainly because I have a few people near me that would (I think) perhaps be more open to the gospel if they in turn knew Christians willing to grapple with science. That said, I'm also like you in that I'm unsure how much time
  4. I think, Chashab, you may be referring to "scientism,"a religion rooted in the misbelief that all things ultimately can (and perhaps will) be revealed via scientific methods. Novelist Walker Percy (among others) riffs nicely on that idea in his Lost in the Cosmos. But Percy did, I believe, think evolution was more than the spurious scientism, rather being good science.... I'm greatly simplifying (thus probably damaging) the man's ideas. Best to read him on it. As far as evolution and Christianity, there are many links easily found on this, such as: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/evolution/ch..
  5. Uh... Peter... please don't misquote me. Really not trying to be snarky here.... kindest possible voice... please don't say "Jon Trott said" or "suggested" or another other such thing when involved in one of your (to my subjective judgement, anyway) rather pointless debates re Christian feminism. Your own opinions are yours. Enjoy them. I'll try to enjoy mine, as long as others don't misrepresent them. And no, Peter, I won't respond to your further postings on this topic. That includes if you choose to disregard my request. Sincerely, Jon Trott
  6. --content deleted-- I'm certainly with you on the first issue, but not so much on the second. BUT, I wouldn't at all have linked the two together.
  7. Not much new to add to this thread, really, other than a sad story... I tried to discuss evolution (at least four or five different "possibilities" philosophically/theological/scientifically speaking) with a small group of folk very, very dear to me (not at JPUSA). I sent the group an email explaining my understanding of at least the below: 1. Young-earth creationism - Inst. for Creation Research and so on. 2. Old-earth creationism 3. ID (Intelligent Design); different or not from 2.? 4. Theistic evolution 5. Non-theistic evolution - Richard Dawkins Now I did this not as someone deeply comm
  8. For me (no bricks, please) it was The Brothers Karamazov -- the old MGM one (which somehow, I'd always blamed on Disney until I looked it up today online). Maybe because the novel is so great... but the movie was, to me, a real stinker. Runner up? Oddly enough, another F. D. novel, Crime and Punishment -- the movie was a late 80s or early 90s made for TV version, so maybe it isn't fair for me to torch it. But they ruined it, almost completely. Maybe what I'm saying is that Dostoevsky isn't a guy you easily adapt? Blessings, jon
  9. Uh... COPS? Hehehe. This was true up until fairly recently, I admit with chagrin. House. This is, however, getting thin for me. Great idea, but how long can they go w/ it? CSI - I loved this show when it first came on... along with the rest of the American public. But it, too, is getting thin. VERY thin. I'm not sure I'll continue tracking it. Judging Amy -- both my wife and I's favorite show, which is probably why they CANCELLED it a while back. CNN -- Because I believe as long as I'm going to torture myself with television, why not get a double-dose? TMC (Turner movie channel).... not
  10. I agree with essentially all that you said above. I was referring to the fact that some do not hold to the statement that I quoted. and further, some mistakenly elevate the picayune to the essential. That's the trick, eh? Figuring out what those essentials are. But of course that last phrase -- "in everything charity" -- points to the same place Jesus did with his "new commandment": John 13:34 "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another." How does that work here? Well, that's what we have to sort out.... hehehehehe..
  11. Took the words right out of my mouth. That is a fine romance story, and says a lot for both of you. blessings, jon
  12. I'd like to announce right here that listing films I've watched the most will promptly signal to many that my taste is in my tootsies. But... in no particular order... - High Plains Drifter (why? There's something about Clint painting a town red - literally - that just does it for me, despite how politically incorrect the movie is for a feminist type such as myself.) - The Big Sleep (Probably in the past ten years I've watched this thirty times. I'll watch it thirty more. Why? Bogie and Bacall. Script written by -- among others -- William Faulkner. The hothouse scene at beginning is alone w
  13. I kin see that me un Mr. Buckeye er gonna have a shoot-out! Hehehehehe... The Wiki entry on Grapes of Wrath does a pretty good job (w/ spoilers, though). I will note that even if you do not like G of W, you may well like other Steinbeck fare, including East of Eden (the obvious source for the James Dean flick of that name), The Red Pony (begins with a hired hand blowing a booger out his nose; can't get better than that--wink), and The Pearl (one of the most beautifully tragic, and astonishingly short, exactly compacted tales among modern novels). I think the latter is the only serious compe
  14. I think it is about time for a flame war over Steinbeck. (JOKE!) But really, I think Grapes of Wrath is brilliant. It does cause me, though, to ponder one reality I've often run into with other books and movies that are heavily message-oriented. Sometimes, the medicinal qualities are so intense that it prevents the medicine from being taken. Like that great philosopher Mary Poppins said, "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down." A good lesson there for we evangelical types involved in the arts. But please.... if you have not finished Grapes of Wrath, do it. You won't be sorry. And rem
  15. I say "theological mess" with great affection. And it still moves me, for whatever mysterious set of reasons.
  16. Interesting thread. Without going into all the theological mess, JCS the *album* was my introduction to Webber & Rice, and I listened to that album both as a wanna-be atheist (I'd play it for my poor unfortunate Christian friend whenever he dared show up) and then as a new Christian (I knew it was off but it comforted my new faith anyway--go figure). The album didn't have all the songs the movie did, including "Could We Start Again, Please." Anyway, when I saw the movie I liked it very much; the "doctrinal problems" for me lessened (the album simply ends w/ an instrumental, called signifi
  17. Thanks. As for REZ, I still remember the first time I heard them (looking so scruffy and underwhelming at the old Barry St. Church JPUSA was renting at the time) as one of the most startlingly powerful art experiences of my life. But of course I loved Grand Funk and Black Sabbath when I was a kid. So whadja expect? Hahahhaahahahahaha! It was my pleasure to get to write lyrics (and one song) for REZ... but here's the real fun fact: "Jolly Jonah Jamison" the DJ voice on "Awaiting Your Reply".... yep. Me.
  18. As a "newbie" I speak non-authoritatively here. I'd suggest the followng. 1. This one seems clear enough: Any poster who claims to be a believer is, by default, bound by Christian standards. Whether posting here or speaking to someone face to face with whom he/she disagrees, Christians don't ever get a "pass" when it comes to actually practicing our faith. The flagship verse for all human interaction, cyber or otherwise: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your
  19. Andrew wrote: Too late... I've been satanically syncopated, infernally intonated, viciously vibrated, carnally callibrated, electronically enebriated, demonically doctrinated, and risquely rejuvinated. In short... LET'S ROCK!!!! Jon "augmented seventh" Trott
  20. "Come back and fight like a man!" HG all the way. Gilliam more for what he did later...
  21. stef, I do remember the interview, but was not the interviewer. I sorta felt bad for U2 in that scenario later on, as they tried to hint to us that they'd rather not be interviewed by a Christian magazine, period. We were, to be honest, concerned for them; they went through a period there where the band both internally and externally was being pressured to "drop" the more Christian elements (and social elements) of their lyrics/approach. Of course, after Rattle and Hum they did experiement with the whole Mephestopheles (too lazy to spell right) thing. We were trying to get them to be more up-
  22. I voted for "October," at least in part because I remember how fresh and new and completely original they sounded in the midst of the "new wave" stuff then so popular. U2 were like guys that had been hiding in a cave somewhere, stepped out into the light of day, strapped on their instruments, and played (Edge!) this sort of stratospheric music that left us breathless. I was Cornerstone magazine's music reviewer back then, and u2 was unknown in the U.S.; "October" was additionally stunning for its freeform use of Christian imagery in the lyrics (the rumor was that the lyrics had been lost and
  23. Thank you. Barth is a guy I don't know a lot about, though one of my dear friends is slam-out crazy over him. I wonder if he, like Kierkegaard, got a roughing up by fundamentalist / evangelical writers (the latter for F. Schaeffer, for instance) that was undeserved. Kierkegaard did for sure; that I know from both reading SK and from reading others' research into SK. Barth I'm guardedly positive about having read/heard little. Let me know if you had some leads / comments there. And Humboldt's Gift is a really good book--so is Sammler's Planet, for that matter, though not quite as good as HG.
  24. Love Dickens. All of 'em (and I think I read just about all of 'em, though would have to check a list). (Added this later...>>>) But hey, too many didn't like Steinbeck! I'm blown away by that.... I *loved* Steinbeck as a kid; read almost his entire collection in a month or two (yes, I was an odd kid). Grapes of Wrath is an absolute masterpiece, with one of the most beautiful, rending, and iconic endings I've ever encountered in literature. Steinbeck was, for me, a genius. Winter of Our Discontent (admittedly odd choice, but there it is) really got me as a kid, too... a moral man basi
  25. I tell people if they want a manual on "how to do community," read Vanier. It will cure them of that idea. Vanier to me is brilliant. We've had him at the festival, though depressingly when he appeared at Main Stage there was only a smattering crowd there -- mostly JPUSA folks, I suspect! "Forgiveness is the heart of community." Absolutely true in our experience. His riffs on people who are wounded bringing out in turn our own wounds, and that this is what community often is about... again, brilliant stuff that has been lived rather than theorized by its author. It is so hard to talk abou
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