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    Kill Bill

    Have you guys/gals heard that they are going to split Kill Bill in half? I'm very disgusted with this and will probably just wait for the whole thing to come out on DVD. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1473958/2...?headlines=true argh. - trevor
  2. thanks russell, i guess i might be making too big of a deal out of it. but the multiple changes of my original, sincere topic of "what encourages you" makes me think that the Good Ole Boy's (and girls) of this board know what is best and that they decide what someone should have/not have for their subject topic. that is all. when you're new to a board like this with such great converstations and so many intelligent opinions, it can be intimidating and vulnerable to start a discussion. So, it's not that i mind at all that the topic has veered, it's just the changing of the title thing that get's to me. so there's my rant. i'll stop crying like a little baby now. -trevor
  3. ok, i guess i need to learn my place on this board. as a newbie, I shouldn't be so presumptious to think i could start up a discussion on a certain topic.
  4. I'd still like to know why my original post title of "What encourages you - Sex with Oprah" was removed. Am i not allowed to have artistic freedom in my post subject titles? I can understand the need to censor foul language or deflamatory comments, but I really don't think that "Sex with Oprah" is either foul or deflamatory. In the guidelines there is:" You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws." I don't think the word "sex" is what was meant by this description, but rather sexually-oriented material, i.e. porn, etc. And then to change it to "The Problem with Preaching in Art", i would've never picked that because that wasn't my intent for the discussion forum. That narrows the discussion, when I was originally wanting to know what it is in film that encourages the community on this board in their faith. Did I miss a guideline that says if you post a subject title that a moderator doesn't like or agree with, then that moderator will change it to better suit his/her tastes?
  5. Peter, If I may - I'm still stuck on your feeling that art with an "agenda" is propaganda and your concern that Gibson has an agenda for this film, thus negating the classification of "art" for this film. Would you say the same thing for movies such as "Bowling for Columbine", "Schindler's List"... and others. Don't want to open a discussion on all sorts of other movies here, but these movies obviously have an "agenda" from the filmmaker. So is it really the fast that Gibson has an agenda with this film that bothers you or is it that Gibson's agenda is motivated by his personal faith that bothers you? - trevor
  6. hey, who changed my subject title?!? that's not fair! am i not allowed to use the word sex in a title? does this group censor?!? i am really bummed that my title was changed. it's like someone decided that my title choice was inappropriate and just came up with their own "better" title.
  7. ok, thanks jeffrey, i will check those out. they sound very interesting. i agree that art with an agenda is propaganda. but since when is sharing your faith with your art an "agenda"? isn't art an expression of who we are? an out-pouring of our soul? an attempt to communicate the deep inside of you to others? and if one is a christian artist, wouldn't it be appropriate to share that important part of your life, especially if it has so much to do with who you are and how you think and what inspires you? or are Christians not supposed to cover their faith in their art for fear of offending/prostelicizing someone? i am in no way saying that all christians who create art must create "Christian art" (if there is such a thing), but that if a Christian does touch on their faith in their art, why is that considered to be an agenda? like Mel Gibson said about his upcoming movie, "I couldn't not do it" -trevor
  8. ok, then. i have no problem conceding to that. oh, peter, you forgot your amen.
  9. well, i dunno. i'm not aware of the prince of egypt showing and i don't know enough about the focus on the family showing either to say definitively what the motives behind the showing actually was. but regardless, i suppose it's safe to say that marketing has happened anyway. and so now that marketing is going on, your main point is that they shouldn't market this as a "ministry". i agree. i do not think this should be marketed as a ministry. i think it should hold it's merit as a film. and from everything i have read, it seems that is Gibson's desire as well. whether he has the talent to pull it off, is yet to be seen. with all that said, if this movie does both contribute to art AND further the kingdom of God, then PRAISE GOD! come on, Peter, get up with me and throw your hand up and shout "AMEN!"
  10. --- What was he doing with the film at Focus, if not promoting it? Well if we believe the article, he was there to screen it and see if the portrayal of Christ was "ok" and seeking approval/criticism from the people there.
  11. Peter, Thanks for your response. I totally agree that the film should be judged as a film and not a ministry. And when it comes out we can then see how the film itself will hold up as art. I suppose the rejection of violence in art is a personal conviction. As far as "Mel is beginning to push his film the same as ministries".. perhaps a little more time should be given before that can be told. I haven't really seen anything where he has been pushing this movie himself. Just the fact that he has been making this has interested the media. I suppose in the following months if we start to see major previews about how you can come to know Christ by watching this movie, well.. then we'd have something to discuss. So, for now, I am encouraged that he is taking a stand and doing this. IF he fails and the movie is horrible, then that is that. I still respect the man for doing this, and my respect for Mel is completely removed from my opinion of the movie to come.
  12. AlanW, So are you saying that celebrities are not allowed to publicly discuss their faith? Or are you just saying that if they did, that's their own business, but it wouldn't personally encourage you? tks! -trevor
  13. Jeffrey, Thanks for your comments. I agree with you that: Those things encourage me as a Christian as well. But when you say that sermons have no place in art, you seem to be saying that film shouldn't have sermons in them, or shouldn't try to "preach". Is this what you are saying? So even if a movie first meets the criteria of great art, beauty and excellence, could it then be allowed to "preach"? Or are you of the opinion that films should never evangelize? (And i don't mean evangelize in some abstract, show the beauty that God created and people will seek God, but in a more direct, Jesus Christ died for you and are you willing to accept him as you Savior kind of way) Filmmakers that are Christians, are they allowed to explore their own personal faith through the film medium? Even if that faith is a desire to share Christ and lead others to know Christ? When making the Temple, God appointed artists to be involved. So here, it seems that art and worship and church all went hand in hand. Exodus 31:1-5 Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, ability and knowledge in all kinds of crafts- to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of craftsmanship. But are we saying that should only be for the church and doesn't apply to modern art that is outside of the church (i.e. film/hollywood)? Thanks for indulging my curiosity!
  14. Hey all out there. newbie here would like to ask a question of all who are willing to respond. What would you like to see in movies/filmmakers/hollywood stars that would encourage you in your faith? Would stars talking to Oprah about their Christianity encourage you? Or do you scoff at that notion? I guess in other words what would be the ULTIMATE that you would like to see come out of Hollywood coming from a Christian perspective? I presume to say that it is probably not Left Behind 3. tks! -trevor no quote ps i edited the subject to attract more posts. they say sex and Oprah sells, so maybe it will work.
  15. Peter, can I ask hopefully non-confrontational questions out of curiosity sake? As a Christian, what could've Mel said about his movie that would encourage you? Or are you of the opinion that he shouldn't be making this movie at all?
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