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jfutral

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  1. I think that doctrine has suffered the biggest abuse of modernity. It has devolved to "solo scriptura" by many protestants, usually most of them the independent, non-denominational. I am not a big student of sola scriptura, much less Luther, but I have a feeling there is little resemblance between how many churches teach and practice sola scriptura and how Luther meant it. And by extrapolation, if Jesus is the word made flesh, and the word is scripture, and Jesus is the head of the church, then the only thing we need is scripture. I think Word of God=Jesus=Scripture is a big discussion t
  2. You've been spying in on my conversations with my wife. I don't know. I think the Word of God wields himself pretty well, striking us and we won't admit it. Think of the Black Knight in Monty Python. Barely a scratch! Joe
  3. Celebrity? ;-) Yes. Jesus also seemed to have a knack for being where people were going to be hanging out already. He did a lot of "going to" to make himself available to be approached, no doubt. His story doesn't seem to keep him stationary and everyone came to him on the mountain top. I happen to believe leisure time is the most important time to be around people. Guards are down and real relationship foundations and trust get built when someone doesn't think they are your pet project and outside a "Christian" setting. Doesn't mean you hide who you are or try to fit in by joining quest
  4. Well. He did eat with sinners, and in those days, in that culture, having a meal with someone was pretty significant and accepting. But hanging out with in the sense of enabling their sin, Um, not likely. Although Jesus did turn water into wine at a Jewish wedding feast where in all likelyhood there were some people who would have had a little to much of the drink. I mean, I know the liquour content of their wine wasn't as much as ours is...... but people could have just drank that much more. I'm afraid to ask what you guys think hangin' out means or what you think I mean by hangin' o
  5. And if we are to treat the disciplined as a tax collector, and we use Jesus and how he treated tax collectors as the example of how to treat a tax collector, where does that leave us? Didn't he hang out with the tax collectors? Joe
  6. Right. but of course one who neither does nor creates is not an artist, no matter how much he insists that he is; and one who does or creates is, in that sense, an artist, whether or not she wishes to be called one. And an artist is an artist whether they know what an artist is or not. I'm kind of less concerned about a non-Christian who has had a bad experience with religion than I am about a Christian who has had a bad experience with religion, although the end results are usually pretty similar. The non-Chrstian is usually not trying to make any pretense about being a Christian. What
  7. Ah, but an argument about X should not be mistaken for X itself. But that is the problem I have with much Christian religion. Some are mistaking the argument for what they are arguing about. They are much more concerned with creating a defensible position than just being a Christian. They are Roger Scruton arguing that only classical forms are beautiful and worth being called art. To venture away from the aesthetics argument and be a bit more postmodern, to a certain degree, the systems created to support the arts are more important than the art they were created to support. Joe
  8. The reason I prefer to think about religion in terms of aesthetics, is that just like aesthetes often find themselves arguing about what is real beauty or what should be defined as art, so to do I find the religious mired in the same discussions, particularly about about Christianity. So while it is good to think about religion as a set of practices we do to respond to God's love and maintain a relationship with him, I am more inclined to think of religion as ascribing a _particular_ set of practices, much like the Roger Scrutons of the world. Then there is the art that exists regardless o
  9. Aesthetics, as in the philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste. As I heard one person put it, aesthetics is to artists what ornithology is to birds. So, your point about music theory:musician is comparable, I think. Chet Baker had to ask what note to start on when he played with other musicians. Was he a musician? HTTY. So I lean with the folks who tend to believe that, while religion (and by extrapolation theology, doctrine, and denomination) is important and even helpful, it isn't necessary to being a Christian. Does that make me a hipster? Joe edit to add: Wh
  10. Why does an idea being in/from a comic book invalidate or diminish the idea? I often wonder if religion is to being a Christian what aesthetics is to being an artist. Joe
  11. I was hugely disappointed in the show. I had high hopes and great expectations from the commercials and I have always loved everyone in the cast. Maya Rudolph has been and continues to be the funniest part of the show. I can't decide if it is the directing or the writing or both. It has gotten better or maybe I'm just getting used to it. I thought Free Agents was better, even though there probably wasn't much mileage in the set up. Joe
  12. Ironically, both Scruton and Dutton want some sort of systematic definition of beauty and aesthetics. If some form of reasoning can be deduced or created then authority can be exerted over what is or isn't definitively beautiful. What a waste of imagination. (Although, while I may generally disagree with Dutton's logic and conclusions, I am more sympathetic to the pursuit of understanding the "why" of things.) Personally, I think the stash of stone axes was either someone's weapons cache or maybe an early entrepreneur's (who discovered he was really good at making axes) inventory and planne
  13. Scruton is quite the interesting fellow to research. Here are a couple articles on a debate from 2009 in which he participated: 'Britain has become indifferent to beauty' The last paragraph pretty well sums it up for me: "...in despair at their negativism, cynicism and defeatism, I asked Starkey and Scruton: "Why is it I like what you like (which is to say: medieval, renaissance and Victorian), but why you are so limited and snitty and crabby you see no value in what I like?" and this editorial from the Guardian/Observer: Beauty is our antidote to cynicism Joe
  14. This helps me a lot since I live in Atlanta. I can't TELL you how many zombies I have to dodge in the course of a day. Joe
  15. Boy am I in trouble then. Bach is my least favourite classic music to the point I do not enjoy listening to Bach. Rubens is also one of my least favourite painters to the point I do not enjoy his work in the slightest. And I abhor reading Shakespeare. I enjoyed lighting Julius Caesar when Jomandi Theatre produced the play set in the nation of Islam. I guess that means there is something wrong with me. But again, I ask, so what? Joe (edit to add: One thing I haven't touched on because I am holding out hope that my suspicions are unfounded. Does Scruton dare venture beyond this Western vie
  16. That's a loaded question! I happen to think there is something wrong with everyone ... Joe Well yes, obviously there is something wrong with everyone. That something is called the sin nature. But that doesn't mean that some people with the sin nature can occasionally get a thing or two right, while others (with the same sin nature) can get an identical thing or two wrong. So the simple question still goes, is there something specifically WRONG with me if I dislike or fail to appreciate ... oh say "The Well-Tempered Clavier" by Johan Sebastian Bach? the Venus de Milo statue? the Potal
  17. Other negatives from the past. I think Scruton and Manet would probably have some issues considering one of Manet's quotes “that an artist has got to move with the times and paint what he sees”" Here are some reviews from an early Impressionist showing. "When the human figure is involved, it is another matter entirely: the aim is not to render its form, its relief, its expression - it is enough to give an impression with no definite line, no colour, light or shadow; in the implementation of so extravagant a theory, artists fall into hopeless, grotesque confusion, happily without preceden
  18. Unfortunately, "setting the new standard" turns out to matter largely in terms of money and fame, not meaningful achievement. Also, the political element comes to the fore, and as Perciflage points out the question becomes less about merit than PR skills. Your daughter might have the talent, but someone else has the connections, and what is talent anyway? Well, since I am a connection, my daughter has that in her favour. I do agree that PR can accelerate attention, but I am a firm believer (and i do think it bears out, at least in my experience) in slow and steady wins the race and many
  19. Unfortunately (or not if you are the recipient) it seems more governed by the one with the money. Joe
  20. That's funny. When I see that (and I have seen that on a local basis) all I can think is "My daughter is going to blow the walls off! I can't wait when she sets the new standard!" Joe
  21. That's a loaded question! I happen to think there is something wrong with everyone. How much that enters into play with what we create and what we think of it, I would take on a case by case basis. On one hand I am of the school that says, the burden of communicating is on the shoulders of the communicator. But sometimes the one being communicated to has to also be willing to listen. Largely, as a working and professional artist, I am of the opinion 1) the issues artists are facing today are of their own making and 2) the issue with _support_ of the arts has less to do with the general pub
  22. That's not how I heard him. I heard him as saying his idea of beauty is what art should be exclusively pursuing. He, being the rationalist he is, would not use those words, but that is the reality of his statements. He doesn't present any of this as "his personal tastes". And if his point is truly philosophical he has an issue to examine regarding my point of the shared humanism roots of what he hails vs what he rails. Wait a minute. How many of those Americans would have a Rembrandt hanging on their walls if NOT for the modern, utilitarian, mass produced art purchased at their loca
  23. Would I rather? I wouldn't mind it any less. But you also, IIRC, come from a ecclesial background that has purposeful art—that is, art, if present, is intended to serve a particular purpose. If I felt similarly about art in church I would probably agree with you. But then, this is where i appreciate Francis Schaeffer when he pointed out how the temple was decorated. Do I think there is bad modern art? Sure. I think there is bad art all over the place. And by bad, I can mean any number of things—poorly executed, poorly conceived, poorly imagined, or uninspiring. But I do admit that no sooner
  24. You know, this quip has long bothered me. Along the same lines is "If I can do it, it isn't art". To me the point of art isn't who can or can't do it. The point is just do it! I think the more EVERYONE did art, the less need for anyone to tell us what is and isn't art, much less what is and isn't good art. If your kid can "do that" then tell him to do it! And keep doing it. Art is 100% participatory. Art only exists if people participate. This is where I believe the idea of "there is no art, only artists" comes from. Joe
  25. You haven't heard the people I know who hate jazz. I think that is a different topic. Or maybe it isn't. I have my own opinions about public art. It is all the rage here in Atlanta and a lot of money is being thrown that direction. So much for those of us who aren't into creating public art. Yeah, that Frank Lloyd Wright was such a minimalist hack. And that Marc Chagall, what a modernist schmuck. ;-) Stained glass seems to be one area where I find most people think ANY coloured glass is beautiful. Go figure. Maybe. But isn't there something in the current milieu that m
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