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Some website reckoned this

"The most common explanation for the homosexual epithet goes like this: Faggot is a bundle of sticks, from the Italian. In the late 16th century, the word acquired the sense of a woman, especially a shrewish one. The sense probably comes from the idea of a faggot being a burden or baggage (not unlike the modern ball and chain). Jump to the US, circa 1917, and the word transferred to effeminate or homosexual men."

Alternatively I'd heard it was cos at some stage in history they had been burned like a faggot of wood.

In the Uk we don't hear fag much but occasionally get faggot - funny eh?

Matt

PS Anyway...

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(I find it sad that Christians are so judgmental towards people who smoke. I watch people from church sneak outside, around the corner and cross over into the woods simply to have a cigarette. People, people, people we aren

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ph-y-ew.

I think I agree with most of what you've said above, particularly w.r.t. health. How many youth leaders who have done the "no smoking" talk have gone on to tell you about the potential dangers of mobile phones, of over tiredness / over work? Not many I'd guess

Matt

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Hmm, some interesting thoughts here. A few of my own, in response:

- It's always important to be cognizant of the universal tendency towards judgmentalism and the corresponding need for a sense of moral superiority. It's ironic that the Bible belt is also known as the obesity belt of America, so I wonder how many of the folks condemning smoking and drinking are making multiple visits to the dessert table at church socials, ergo clogging their arteries in other damaging ways.

- Likewise, the point about emotional health is a valid one. We may be busy condemning tobacco use, but in many ways our workplaces (and churches) encourage and reward health-eroding workaholism. Clearly there are many detrimental physical and emotional offshoots of such behavior patterns.

- Then again, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, so I have a hard time countenancing the use of a substance whose damaging bodily effects are superbly documented (even in small infrequent amounts, as I recall), with very little in the way of convincing data suggesting clear benefits (unlike alcohol, for instance).

Certainly a personal bias plays out here, too, as my mother died of a tobacco-related cancer at a young age, and I've been plagued with respiratory problems since childhood, that were undoubtedly worsened by years of inhaling secondhand smoke.

Anyhow, no judgmentalism is intended in these comments (Lord knows I have my own besetting 'issues'), but merely some more food for thought, I hope.

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What happens when we get too much food for thought? Another form of obesity!! (tongue firmly in cheek)

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Actually, I worry more about choking when I try to cram in too much food for thought.

(I know it's a lame attempt at humor, but it's the best I could manage tonight) smile.gif

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The thought occurs that we also need to avoid being judgemental about people we think are judgemental. Now that's a toughie!

Matt

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Matt,

I wish you wouldn't be so judgmental about people who are judgmental about other people being judgmental.

Consider yourself judged. :roll:

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The thought occurs that we also need to avoid being judgemental about people we think are judgemental.

Good point. (Though who am I to judge?)

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Good point.  (Though who am I to judge?)

I eagerly await the next phrase of the day (du jour for you bilingual ice birds).

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Well, it appears that I am joining this discussion late once again.

This question of smoking raises the whole

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From the 12/23 Borowitz Report:

QADDAFI TO GIVE UP SMOKING

Opens Libya to U.N. Ashtray Inspectors

In what some White House officials are hailing as the successful result of months of backdoor diplomacy, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of Libya agreed today to give up cigarettes once and for all.

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Well, it appears that I am joining this discussion late once again.

Better late than never, I says. You always bring a rather different perspective along.smile.gif

Anyhoo, this past year I started smoking the occasional cigar. Mancanudo Rothschild. Mmmmm

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So everyone meet at Rich's for a cigar night!! I'll have a clove instead.

Bring your smoking jacket!

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Ha! Hey, you [epithet]Chicago[/epithet] types, I DARE you to come on by Chez Richard. We'll have a great time and the guest room will be vacant after the holidays. Just let me know. The thing with "BBB" is, he's just across the river. Detroit and Windsor have always been pretty tight.

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That's right Rich. We're pretty tight. I've always thought of us as "another 'burb" of Deeetroit. Which means, that I shouldn't have to pay to go across the river. Which means there may soon to be a protest at the border. biggrin.gif

Now, I hear the Montecristos can be pretty expensive. Is that true? I don't know about the Bolivar bellicosos at all. How are they in terms of costs? There are several places in the downtown core where I can purchase these. I'll have to check 'em out before we get together. We'll also need some wine you know. Now thaaaat's the life. Cigars, wine and buddies. Kick up the feet. Sit on the back porch. You've got a back porch don't cha? If you don't? OK. Whatev'r, we'll make due.

asher, that's right. Everyone at Rich's. Oh, sorry Rich. It's OK with you and the Mrs. right? :wink:

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Now, I hear the Montecristos can be pretty expensive. Is that true? I don't know about the Bolivar bellicosos at all. How are they in terms of costs? There are several places in the downtown core where I can purchase these. I'll have to check 'em out before we get together.

Ahem. They are. I don't know exact prices, but any Cuban handmade is wildly expensive and certain ones are worth it. I did say I'd reimburse you, so give me fair warning.:oops: And I'm not talking by the box either. I have become fond of the imitations of those two at the place mentioned above, which is why I mentioned them in particular. I've never actually had a real one of either yet.

We'll also need some wine you know. Now thaaaat's the life. Cigars, wine and buddies. Kick up the feet. Sit on the back porch. You've got a back porch don't cha? If you don't? OK. Whatev'r, we'll make due.

I prefer bourbon, of which I have plenty, but wine is fine as well. I'd think the back porch would be a little cold. Something can be worked out.

asher, that's right. Everyone at Rich's. Oh, sorry Rich. It's OK with you and the Mrs. right? :wink:

There may be more truth in this than you think, besides, the Babe and I don't always have the same days off. :twisted:

Oh, just how "tight" are you? Are you a "Wing Nut" or a "Least Fan"?

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Rich,

I'll give ya fair warning. I was in a bar in Windsor http://www.kokopellies.com/ here last year and a guy I was shoot'n the breeze with next to me offered me a sip of his bourbon. Whoa! Nice stuff. Went down on the warm side. I'm afraid I don't drink bourbon and my innards might not be able to handle it. Whaddya think? Wanna do this sometime in the New Year? As to the Wings? I'm between a "Nut" and a fan if that makes sense. :-k

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Definitely early this year. Just the live fellowship alone among participants here is something to savor.

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Rich,

I'm ALL ABOUT fellowship. You and the "Babe" will also have to come over here for some Tunnel Bar BQ, on me of course. They have excellent ribs! See ya then...

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Funny that this thread should come up after all this time. About two years ago I actually *started* smoking (so in my mid-twenties, well after most people do, or so I'm led to believe). It was mostly in response to loneliness and stress. I was living alone at the time and I'd have many days where I would leave work and wouldn't see anybody else until the next day. One or two vacations or weekends where I wouldn't see anybody I knew for the whole period. During this time I was also frequently emotionally and mentally exhausted from my work, so the last thing I wanted was to read something stimulating or watch a movie that would make me feel anything more than I already was. So I started smoking. It had a tremendous effect of numbing my emotions and clouding up my brain so that I couldn't think about much of anything. It came to where just the one cigarette when I got home from work kind of "cut the line" emotionally and mentally between my work and my home.

I've mostly quit since then.... "Mostly" because whenever I'm with somebody who pulls out a pack, I'm always like, "Oooh, can I have one?" Which happens fairly rarely fortunately. But I quit buying my own cigarettes something like 6 months ago. I have to say that my main motivation for quitting is that I know that I'll never land a quality, Godly, woman to be my life-partner if I'm a smoker (or at least, I'll hurt my chances in a major way.) I know it's bad for you, but it's really easy to think, "I know people who smoke a PACK A DAY. I'm only smoking one cigarette a day. I'm not REALLY a smoker."

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Remember all those federal bailouts that we all needed so very desperately to stop the end of the world?

Well, they're finally starting to find ways to spend all that money. That should help the economy.

That is sooo absurd! Not only have "they" gouged tobacco companies in exchange for allowing them to make legal products, the tobacco taxes on the finished product are ridiculous and pushed a sin taxes. So, huge percentages for revenue. That revenue is now spent on discouraging the behavior that brings in the sin taxes. Nice.

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Oh for the more innocent days



Watching Mad Men the other night reminded me of this thread again.

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ALVA NOË: Electronic Cigarettes and the Appearance of Smoking

 

Anti-smoking activists have long worked hard to tarnish the appeal and glamor of the smoke. They've been trying to tear-down smoking's image. From their point of view, pretend smoking is dangerous if it does anything to make smoking seem appealing. In the trenches of the smoking propaganda wars, a smoking simulacrum is a dangerous weapon, not because it's dangerous itself or poses dangers to others, but precisely because it may not.
 
And on the other side, manufacturers and their shills are quick to insist that that e-cigarettes are a tool for quitting. Why? Not because they are a safer cigarette, but because they are not a cigarette at all, but rather a nicotine-delivery system that has the appearance of a cigarette. Again, the value in a simulacrum.

 

 

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