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MattPage   

On the Heaven thread Alan asked;

Related Topic: Has anyone heard anything about the new X-Filme project Goodbye, Lenin!. Apparently it's the new big thing in Germany as far as film is concerned.

Well I finally got round to seeing it yesterday, albeit on video. And its well worth seeing. Still processing it to be honest. Its very reminiscient of Amelie, largely down to Yann Tiersen's music (at one point he re-uses the main Amelie motif in Lenin which felt a bit like a rip off). Having looked at the IMDB this seem to be the only link between the films which surprises me because the look and feel of both films were very similar, camera work editing and all that, so I don't know what's gone on there.

I'm still trying to work out what the film's saying? Has anyone else seen it? The IMDB only mentions its release to a couple of Film Festivals in the States.

Matt

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Saw it over the weekend, found it pleasant, but nothing special. Probably much more meaningful for Germans (or Eastern Eurpopeans who have shifted from Communism in recent years.)

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MattPage   

Yeah,

I think that was my reaction to it. It was pleasant and amusing, and well made, but nothing amazing so to speak.

Matt

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marek   

I shifted from Communism in recent years and found the movie to be a let down. A great idea gone nowhere.

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Crow   

I saw the film and I really liked it. I thought the film portrayed a geniune warmth between a son and his mother. Even when the son tries to pull off a ridiculous series of schemes, his intentions are pure and based on love. I thought the esclating series of schemes used to keep his mother in her socialist fantasy world were funy and clever.

I think the film also cleverly deals with how we approach the idea of control. Do we want to stay in situations we

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Writers Almanac a couple days ago noted Washington Irving's birthday. It noted that in the story of Rip Van Winkle (ripped off from a German folk tale), Rip goes to sleep when the British are still running things, but wakes up after independence. Now they've taken it back to Germany.

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Anders   

Saw this one last night. Definitely a good movie, if not particularily amazing. I probably liked it more than most having taking two years of the language at university and having grandparents who lived in Germany. I liked Daniel Br

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Saw it this weekend.

I'm gonna sound like a prude and all, but this was a near miss. It was already a good film (by virtue of it being the only film) about the changes of life during the fall of the Iron Curtain. More importantly, it could have been one of the great mother-son relationship films... ever. That look of admiration on the mother's face during the last scene is nearly unforgettable.

And yet... why oh why did the filmmakers feel it necessary to include such pornographic elements in the film? All of it--the porno shop visit, the full-frontal male nudity--was completely unneccessary to the story. Had I taken my own mother to see it, she would've been embarrassed.

I'm all for nudity where the story requires it. Extraneous nudity, for a mere punch-line, is a shortcoming in terms of story--it's a cheap gag, it pulls you out of the movie, and it prolongs what could've been more concise.

Am I missing something?

Nick

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opus   

Well, I could sort of understand the reasoning behind porno shop visit, as it was a fairly obvious example of something very Western that the East Germans probably hadn't been exposed to (although I'm sure there was porn in East Germany before that). I found it kind of amusing that both men and women were in the shop, highlighting that it was more of a curiosity than anything else. That being said, I did feel slightly uncomfortable watching that scene, and the full-frontal male nudity, as I was watching it with my (soon to be) girlfriend.

At first, they sort of had me wondering what I was getting into. But as the movie progressed, I began forgetting about that, and just got wrapped up in the film. Yes, I probably would've got more out of it had I actually been German, but I still found it to be rather touching in places. I'm glad someone else noticed the mother's final look at Alex.

So yes, I'd probably consider the nudity extraneous for the most part, but I think the rest of the movie redeemed itself for me. Not quite what I was expecting, and I think there were a few parts that could've been done a little better (like the subplot with Alex' father), but on the whole a pretty enjoyable little film.

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Anders   

My experience in Germany, and with European's in general is that the porno shop visit sequence wouldn't pull a typical German out of the film. Heck when I was there at age 14 I was shocked at the amount of sexuality. Typical N. American on the other hand...

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If East Berlin had no such sex shops, but West Berlin is notoriously known for its sex shops, then I stand corrected...

... but they still could've just shown him go in one without showing anything, kinda like how _Saved_ showed that Dean Faust was into homoerotic mags without showing their contents.

Those tonal shifts really hurt the film.

Nick

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Anders   

I understand what you're saying Nick, and probably would prefer it that way, however my point is that for a German or European in general, they probably wouldn't even notice a tonal shift at all.

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I understand what you're saying Nick, and probably would prefer it that way, however my point is that for a German or European in general, they probably wouldn't even notice a tonal shift at all.

It's almost like that's a case study for Harvey Scissorhands' logic. (Only he probably wouldn't have noticed the tonal shift either).

Put another film title on the Clean-Flicks queue...

Nick

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MattPage   

I think I mentioned above about the similarities between this and Amelie, and this is I guess another one. The sex shop thing really disenthuses me about the film, and that character in particular spoils what could have been an excellent film IMHO. (as such I probably found GL less problematic, as until you mentioned it I had forgotten that there was a sex scene)

Matt

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