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Way to go PSU. Now I hope you lose to MSU too so the Bucks can go to the Rose Bowl.

Tech vs. Florida for the National Championship.

My Tide was going to be beaten first by Clemson, then surely by Georgia, then of course by LSU, and now without a doubt by Florida. Just the way I like it...

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My Tide was going to be beaten first by Clemson, then surely by Georgia, then of course by LSU, and now without a doubt by Florida. Just the way I like it...

Tide...Tide...wait, I sit next to the people who make that. I'll ask about our chances of sticking it out in Florida.

...

Nope, it just goes down the drain with the rest of the dirt.

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The BCS is such a mess. Because Texas Tech is going to lose to Oklahoma, and Alabama is going to lose to Florida in the SEC championship game, and the undefeated teams will be Utah, Boise State, and Ball State, none of whom will make it to the championship game. We'll have eight one-loss teams, each clamoring to be in the championships game. Six of them will be sorely disappointed, not to mention all the outraged Utah, Boise State, and Ball State fans who will claim that it's just plain wrong and discriminatory that their undefeated teams are bypassed in favor of one-loss teams from the glamor conferences.

Some of this would be mitigated by refraining from pre-season polls and, better yet, no polls 'til around the point that the BCS poll kicks in. There has to be a way to minimize frauds and to not penalize lack of early respect. We don't know, for example, just how important 'Bama's win against Georgia was. It would be less of a factor if no rankings existed before the game.

Oh, don't get too smug there Pope. I, for one think they will beat Florida (Buckeye is hoping against hope for a subtle Rube rise in the polls). The thing is though, even with a BCS championship, nothing lasts forever when gifted by Nick Saban. Not if, but when will he land somewhere else? Heck of a coach though.

Barack Obama has stated that he is in favor of a college football playoff. If he accomplishes this, he will be the greatest president in U.S. history.

No he won't. His administration will forver be scarred in history by the resultant Republican landslides in both Houses. Meddling like that will get him the wrong veto proof Senate. :twisted:

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Oh, don't get too smug there Pope. I, for one think they will beat Florida (Buckeye is hoping against hope for a subtle Rube rise in the polls). The thing is though, even with a BCS championship, nothing lasts forever when gifted by Nick Saban. Not if, but when will he land somewhere else? Heck of a coach though.
No doubt. And normally that would be a concern. The thing is, Alabama's fan base has been through so much the last decade or so, that everyone's pretty content with a use-use relationship at this point. If Saban only sticks around 4 or 5 years then heads somewhere else, and all Alabama is left with is a rejuvenated perennial national title contender, I'm okay with that.

My gut says he stays until retirement though, even though I know how naive that sounds. He's not gonna leave for money, because Bama can (and will) pay him as much as any school in the country. He's not gonna leave for championship potential, as this year shows that he's got that aplenty right where he is. He could leave because he just wants to be somewhere else, or gets bored, or whatever I guess. But I think he was a bit surprised at how hostile the reaction to his departure from Miami was, and I don't think he'll be eager to fan those flames again for a while.

And yeah, he is a heck of a coach.

Edited by popechild

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But I think he was a bit surprised at how hostile the reaction to his departure from Miami was, and I don't think he'll be eager to fan those flames again for a while.

Really? Hostile reaction has been pretty constant starting with the bailing on Michigan State. Some thought that while Lloyd Carr's timing of his retirement announcement damned Les Miles' chances before they appeared in becoming Michigan's coach. However, the LSU administration and its atheletic dept. were prepared to go to the mattresses to avoid yet another Saban debacle just as things were settling down. I'm guessing Saban tunes it out. It certainly follows him. I'm betting on the thrill of the Pheonix rising out of the ashes. That's what motivates him. Both MSU and Miami were beginning to stall in their trajectories. Nick doesn't like that.

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But I think he was a bit surprised at how hostile the reaction to his departure from Miami was, and I don't think he'll be eager to fan those flames again for a while.

Really? Hostile reaction has been pretty constant starting with the bailing on Michigan State. Some thought that while Lloyd Carr's timing of his retirement announcement damned Les Miles' chances before they appeared in becoming Michigan's coach. However, the LSU administration and its atheletic dept. were prepared to go to the mattresses to avoid yet another Saban debacle just as things were settling down. I'm guessing Saban tunes it out. It certainly follows him. I'm betting on the thrill of the Pheonix rising out of the ashes. That's what motivates him. Both MSU and Miami were beginning to stall in their trajectories. Nick doesn't like that.

I'll reiterate that you may be right, but also that (given the current state of the program in year 2), he won't be able to walk away a "success" at Bama until he's won a NC. There's just no room for sustained upward trajectory that doesn't reach that level (or at least playing at that level consistently for a period of time) before it has the chance to stall out. So he'll keep going until he gets it there, because that's what will validate his imprint on the team, in a way that he would've never had any legitimate hope to do at MSU. If he leaves after he accomplishes that, like I said, I'll take the trade-off!

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We train 'em up young in these here parts. The first words that Columbus toddlers learn are "mommy," "daddy," and "F#@% Michigan."

So there's the Big Game here tomorrow, except this year the Big Game has lost some of its gravitas and import. First, the Buckeyes, at 9 -2, have been abject failures. Ask 75% of the people in Columbus and they'll tell you that they suck. Second, Michigan's suckage is off the charts. They suck when they come into the Big Game at 11 - 0. This year they are 3 - 8, which has all the eye-popping surreality of Britney Spears singing Puccini or a Hold Steady review in Christianity Today Magazine. We need a new vocabulary, something that will take in mega-suckage of such monumental proportions that all previous suckage is relegated to a footnote.

Me? I had kinda forgotten about the Big Game. And so it was probably fortuitous that I found myself on the campus of The Ohio State University last night for reasons that had nothing to do with football. At 11:30 p.m., helping to load gear into a van after a concert, I was stunned to see hundreds of nearly naked and drunken OSU students making a beeline to the center of campus. There, amidst the inspiring architecture of the world of academe, lies Mirror Lake, an algae-covered swamp during the beautiful Ohio autumn days (Sept. 23rd - 28th), but last night frozen over with a thin sheet of ice. And all the nearly naked and drunken OSU students were jumping into Mirror Lake. This is apparently a hoary tradition that dates back to the '30s when all the students drove around in Packards and wore beaver coats. But it has survived down to our frantic telecommunications age, and I could see various clumps of students frantically texting their friends to come on down and participate in the collegiate camaraderie.

We decided to watch for a bit. "O-H!," one particularly drunken and belligerent frat boy chanted in my face. I considered my options. "S-H-I-T!" came to mind. I let it pass, which was probably a good idea. He ran off to jump in the lake. After fifteen or twenty minutes or so the students started jogging back to their dorms. "I'm so cold," one miserably wet young woman told us as she shivered her way back to south campus. I thought of starting the "N-O! S-H-I-T!" chant. Again, I let it go.

So now I'm stoked for the Big Game. I'm hoping to borrow a toddler, perhaps from one of our church friends. There's no better time to get started, and to help train up a child in the way he should go. In another eighteen or nineteen years he or she will be ready to jump in the lake.

Edited by Andy Whitman

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I didn't get to see The Game this year. The matchup was so bad that it was lucky to be televised at all. It was over before I got off work (really over, not "Put a fork in 'em" over even though it was that too). DVR'ed but won't bother to watch it, I'll probably dump it from the cache. I can't help but be impressed by the ostentatiously moderate and measured way Tressel answers questions at the post-game Q&A. He's even better at tact than coaching. There really is no nice way to say, "It would have been a lot tighter game, but they kept handing us opportunities." He came the closest I've ever heard.

Edited by Rich Kennedy

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I can't help but be impressed by the ostentatiously moderate and measured way Tressel answers questions at the post-game Q&A. He's even better at tact than coaching.

That's why they call him "the Senator".

I think the scUM coaching regime could not have gone much worse. RichRod may turn out to be a fine coach, but his transition was as messy as I've seen. And he needs to turn it around soon.

With the Big Ten suffering by proxy the ignomies of Ohio State's national defeats, I think we need four strong teams to really step up: Penn State, Wisconsin, M$!#@gan, and Michigan State. Iowa and Purdue running 7-5 and 8-4 seasons every year would be nice too. That means tougher roads to hoe for the Bucks, but the benefits far outweigh it.

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It's funny how public opinion around here has spiked and cratered and all. When Rodriguez came on board, everyone thought that all we needed was Terrell Pryor and it would be plug and play! Lose a couple of toughies, show the Rubes we're back in business and there you go. Pryor is pretty good, but even plugging him in "down there" hasn't been an ideal enterprise. Then Spring Practice where Rodriguez tried desperately to put a positive face on nothing. Then the early season... All of a sudden, the average guy was saying that if he doesn't show something by next year, he's done. The old Blues won't stand for it (Right, the ones agitating behind the scenes last year to make sure that that season was Carr's last). MSU fans were thinking that this is their chance! State dominance for a generation! Things have settled down. No one but me seems to be observing that Rod has had a lot of terrible seasons. Right, the first year or so everywhere he's gone.

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Wow! That's really the Times? The provincialism is amazing. It reads like my favorite Detroit News columnist during Game Week, but he's always doing his schtick. This is real news and OSU isn't fixing to play USC this weekend. Will the Times mock UCLA as the little brother the way we do with Michigan State up here next week?

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BCS games set:

Rose: USC vs PSU

Orange: UC vs VT

Sugar: Utah vs Alabama

Fiesta: Oh St vs. Texas

Championship: OU vs. UF

Quick thoughts: I think the Bearcats will be the Orange Bowl champs. I went to their last two home games--pretty good team. Tries to snap the ball with 15 seconds left on the play clock. I'm hoping the Buckeyes start to reverse their big game trend--its time for that pendulum to start swinging back the other way now. I think the Sooners level the Gators. Talk about a no huddle offense--watch the play clock on the Sooners' offense: 23 seconds left on it EVERY time. I hope JoePa ('s staff) can pull it together--time for spread HD to work! I don't care about Utah, but I don't like Saban or the BCS so I hope the Utes lite 'em up for all the little teams.

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I think the Sooners level the Gators.

Man, you guys up there just never learn do you? ;) The sooners have no defense. Sure, they're the #1 scoring offense, but FL is #3. On the other side of the ball though, FL is #5 compared to OU's #57. I hesitate to say that this game's not going to be close, but add in Stoops' propensity to blow big games, and OU's miserable BCS record in general, and this one's got all the makings of an SEC three-peat.

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True, OU is on a pretty incredible roll right now, and if this game were played next week, they'd be able to roll right over Florida. But a month layoff has a tendency to be a great equalizer, and will probably cool off OU. I think Florida will win this one in the end.

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I think the Sooners level the Gators.

Man, you guys up there just never learn do you? ;) The sooners have no defense. Sure, they're the #1 scoring offense, but FL is #3. On the other side of the ball though, FL is #5 compared to OU's #57. I hesitate to say that this game's not going to be close, but add in Stoops' propensity to blow big games, and OU's miserable BCS record in general, and this one's got all the makings of an SEC three-peat.

I admit I hate the SEC. Preening, self-righteous pansies playing football while wearing shortsleeved jerseys in December. I don't care if Tebow has Phil 4:13 pasted in his eyeblack; I don't care about Bear Bryant; or the Hat, or Blackouts or whatever. I do care that the ACC whalloped the Sophmorically Euphoric Conference the first weekend of December. I'm hoping for the league to go 0-fer in the BCS this year.

But, still, given all that you wrote about the Sooner's propensity for screwing up in the big game (and I don't like conniving whining Stoops much either), I think that the Gator's defensive speed will be neutralized by the hurry-up offense. I don't know that the Sooner's D will be able to keep Tebow and co. out of the endzone, but I do think that the Sooners will score at will.

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I admit I hate the SEC. Preening, self-righteous pansies playing football while wearing shortsleeved jerseys in December. I don't care if Tebow has Phil 4:13 pasted in his eyeblack; I don't care about Bear Bryant; or the Hat, or Blackouts or whatever. I do care that the ACC whalloped the Sophmorically Euphoric Conference the first weekend of December. I'm hoping for the league to go 0-fer in the BCS this year.
You buckeye fans still have about 2 years worth of built-up chips on your shoulders, huh?
But, still, given all that you wrote about the Sooner's propensity for screwing up in the big game (and I don't like conniving whining Stoops much either), I think that the Gator's defensive speed will be neutralized by the hurry-up offense. I don't know that the Sooner's D will be able to keep Tebow and co. out of the endzone, but I do think that the Sooners will score at will.
I'm amazed at how everyone quotes the old adage "Defense wins championships" yet no one seems to believe it. A high scoring offense without a defense is like a pretty girl with an STD. Everything seems perfect until they get tested...

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Excellent Wall Street Journal article last Saturday on why the South (SEC in particular) has such an advantage over the North these days in college football. And they do. Fla, Louisiana, SC, and Georgia are among the top six with sons in the NFL. Ohio and Pennsylvania are slipping. The theory is that southern govenors and legislatures developed a tradition of primping football programs as morale boosters back in the days of segregation and when the southern states were at the bottom of everything statistically. During this time, what we call the rustbelt was boom times. Now, things are flipped economically. The primping tradition is still there, but the South is rising economically and, in some cases, is trying to clean up its low performance act. More money too for those big coaching contracts.

Oh, Buckeye. Short sleeves in December? Have you ever seen a lineman in The Game wear long sleeves? It's the hairy shins year around that get me about some southern schools. I like high socks.

Edited by Rich Kennedy

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I don't care about Utah, but I don't like Saban or the BCS so I hope the Utes lite 'em up for all the little teams.

The Bearcats are letting me down in the big game predictions. Just looked too inexperienced. But I think they've got a good foundation.

But I'm really here just to crow about the Utes! That's awesome! Go Sooners! 0-2 SEC in the BCS!!!

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I think the Sooners level the Gators.

Man, you guys up there just never learn do you? ;) The sooners have no defense. Sure, they're the #1 scoring offense, but FL is #3. On the other side of the ball though, FL is #5 compared to OU's #57. I hesitate to say that this game's not going to be close, but add in Stoops' propensity to blow big games, and OU's miserable BCS record in general, and this one's got all the makings of an SEC three-peat.

Aw, popechild, as a born&raised Okie, I cringe at your all-too-accurate estimation of my Sooners. Nevertheless, Okies tamed the prairie and we would never abandon our team - AND - they may suprise everyone. They do better when slated as the underdog team.

Denny

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It's hard to win when the referees are wearing Texas Longhorn T-shirts underneath their striped suits. That was the worst call I've ever seen. It cost Ohio State the Fiesta Bowl.

[Edit] Nine hours later, and I'm still miffed. I understand that referees are only human, that they make mistakes. So that's what instant replay is for, right? So when the instant replay shows something like nineteen different angles of a Texas receiver getting tackled on the 44 yard line, and when that receiver needs to reach the 45 yard line for a first down, and when the referee puts the ball down on the 45 yard line after presumably reviewing the nineteen different angles showing the receiver stopped short of the first down, what are rational human beings supposed to think? It literally cost Ohio State a win. If the ball is marked correctly, the Buckeyes take over on downs, take a knee, and walk out of the stadium as winners.

Until last night I thought I was over my propensity to be heartbroken by a stupid football game. I was wrong. And so were the #$%$ referees. The injustice of it all is killing me. It's the J part of my INFJ (Jesus' Myers-Briggs type) personality. I want to drive the referees from the stadium with a whip. The stadium should be a house of fairness. And you have made it a den of cheats.

Edited by Andy Whitman

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Andy, we may differ in politics, but we're one in heartbrokenness. And why the @#$@ weren't we playing PREVENT?!!??

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It's hard to win when the referees are wearing Texas Longhorn T-shirts underneath their striped suits. That was the worst call I've ever seen. It cost Ohio State the Fiesta Bowl.

[Edit] Nine hours later, and I'm still miffed. I understand that referees are only human, that they make mistakes. So that's what instant replay is for, right? So when the instant replay shows something like nineteen different angles of a Texas receiver getting tackled on the 44 yard line, and when that receiver needs to reach the 45 yard line for a first down, and when the referee puts the ball down on the 45 yard line after presumably reviewing the nineteen different angles showing the receiver stopped short of the first down, what are rational human beings supposed to think? It literally cost Ohio State a win. If the ball is marked correctly, the Buckeyes take over on downs, take a knee, and walk out of the stadium as winners.

Until last night I thought I was over my propensity to be heartbroken by a stupid football game. I was wrong. And so were the #$%$ referees. The injustice of it all is killing me. It's the J part of my INFJ (Jesus' Myers-Briggs type) personality. I want to drive the referees from the stadium with a whip. The stadium should be a house of fairness. And you have made it a den of cheats.

Andy, which play are you talking about? (Sorry, I'm being serious.) I was assuming you're talking about the 4th and 3 that was challenged with about :40 seconds to go, but that was with the Texas receiver needing to reach the Ohio State 40, not needing to reach the Texas 45, so I'm wondering if you're talking about a different play. Unfortunately I've already deleted the game off my DVR, so I can't go back and replay it to find out for sure. If you ARE talking about the challenged spot with about :40 left, well, I really do wish we didn't seem to end up on opposite sides of every discussion, but I'm fairly confident that I could at least find a screenshot for you showing that the call was the correct one. ::blush::

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It's hard to win when the referees are wearing Texas Longhorn T-shirts underneath their striped suits. That was the worst call I've ever seen. It cost Ohio State the Fiesta Bowl.

[Edit] Nine hours later, and I'm still miffed. I understand that referees are only human, that they make mistakes. So that's what instant replay is for, right? So when the instant replay shows something like nineteen different angles of a Texas receiver getting tackled on the 44 yard line, and when that receiver needs to reach the 45 yard line for a first down, and when the referee puts the ball down on the 45 yard line after presumably reviewing the nineteen different angles showing the receiver stopped short of the first down, what are rational human beings supposed to think? It literally cost Ohio State a win. If the ball is marked correctly, the Buckeyes take over on downs, take a knee, and walk out of the stadium as winners.

Until last night I thought I was over my propensity to be heartbroken by a stupid football game. I was wrong. And so were the #$%$ referees. The injustice of it all is killing me. It's the J part of my INFJ (Jesus' Myers-Briggs type) personality. I want to drive the referees from the stadium with a whip. The stadium should be a house of fairness. And you have made it a den of cheats.

Andy, which play are you talking about? (Sorry, I'm being serious.) I was assuming you're talking about the 4th and 3 that was challenged with about :40 seconds to go, but that was with the Texas receiver needing to reach the Ohio State 40, not needing to reach the Texas 45, so I'm wondering if you're talking about a different play. Unfortunately I've already deleted the game off my DVR, so I can't go back and replay it to find out for sure. If you ARE talking about the challenged spot with about :40 left, well, I really do wish we didn't seem to end up on opposite sides of every discussion, but I'm fairly confident that I could at least find a screenshot for you showing that the call was the correct one. ::blush::

Yes, the 4th and 3 play with 40 seconds to go where the Texas receiver gained two yards.

The first down marker was right at the forty yard line. The receiver was tackled at the 41. I've watched it again and again. He never reached the 40. But perhaps the receiver extended the ball out over the 40 yard line? Nope, that didn't happen either. The ball was pinned tight against his chest.

It was a bad call with the naked eye. It was a horrendous call given what the instant replay showed, again and again. And the instant replay, shown from several different angles during the broadcast, showed that neither the receiver's feet nor the ball crossed the 40. The refs gift-wrapped the game for Texas. It should have been 1st and 10 OSU, with thirty-seven seconds to go. The QB takes a knee, and the game is over.

I don't mind the Buckeyes losing the game if they get beat. But last night they won the game. Just not on the scoreboard, where it counts. It stinks.

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What I didn't like about that play was that the sideline judge on the near side (right next to the tackle) spotted the ball short of the 40 yd line, when all of the sudden the other sideline judge, from way across the field comes running in and said no, no, it was six inches past the 40 yd line.

What a crock. And Fox Sports production stinks beyond belief. The instant replays showed nothing. Perhaps you might have an argument that the receiver extended the ball, but he never established any forward progress.

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