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I'm intrigued by our new #100 pick! I'm so glad The Miracle Maker made it back, but to have four animated movies on the Top 100 is quite a feat. ::w00t::

I'm counting five animated films:

Iron Giant

Spirited Away

Grave of the Fireflies

Paprika

The Miracle Maker

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I'm intrigued by our new #100 pick! I'm so glad The Miracle Maker made it back, but to have four animated movies on the Top 100 is quite a feat. ::w00t::

I'm counting five animated films:

Iron Giant

Spirited Away

Grave of the Fireflies

Paprika

The Miracle Maker

You're right, I missed Paprika (?!!!!! -- whoever blurbs this is going to have a heck of a job)

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I'm intrigued by our new #100 pick! I'm so glad The Miracle Maker made it back, but to have four animated movies on the Top 100 is quite a feat. ::w00t::

I'm counting five animated films:

Iron Giant

Spirited Away

Grave of the Fireflies

Paprika

The Miracle Maker

I'm delighted that PAPRIKA, SPIRITED AWAY, and GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES made the cut. I'm a little less pleased with THE MIRACLE MAKER and THE IRON GIANT (I would have much rather seen PINOCCHIO and FANTASIA make our list), but ah well. You can't have it all. Quite a few of my nominees placed, so it would be a bit churlish of me to start complaining. :P

On another note, I find it interesting that IN PRAISE OF LOVE made it last time but placed almost at the very, very bottom this time out.

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Typo Fixed so deleted

PS will you be the one brave enough to blurb Paprika?

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You have made a typo... I'm presuming that you meant The Miracle Maker the second time, and Spirited Away the first time?

Yep. You're right. Unlike many here, I don't love THE MIRACLE MAKER.

PS will you be the one brave enough to blurb Paprika?

We'll see. I've already asked to blurb four films, so my plate is pretty full.

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Here are films I think we've lost ... what am I missing?

1. Autumn Afternoon, An (“Sanma no aji”), 1962, Yasujiro Ozu

2. Beau travail, 1999, Claire Denis

3. Breaking the Waves, 1996, Lars von Trier

4. By Brakhage: An Anthology, 2003, Stan Brakhage

5. Cries and Whispers, 1973, Ingmar Bergman

6. Cyclist, The ("Bicycleran"), 1987, Mohsen Makhmalbaf

7. Derzu Uzala, 1975, Akira Kurosawa

8. Fanny and Alexander ("Fanny och Alexander"), 1982, Ingmar Bergman

9. Goodbye to the Children ("Au Revoir, Les Enfants"), 1987, Louis Malle

10. House is Black,The (Khaneh siah ast), 1964, Forugh Farrokhzad

11. In Praise of Love ("Éloge de l'amour"), 2001, Jean-Luc Godard

12. Killer of Sheep, 1977, Charles Burnett

13. Late Spring ("Banshun"), 1972, Yasujiro Osu

14. Lorna's Silence ("Le silence de Lorna"), 2008, Jean-Pierre and Luc Dardenne

15. M. Hulot's Holiday("Les vacances de Monsieur Hulot"), 1953, Jacques Tati

16. Meshes in the Afternoon, 1943, Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid

17. Moment of Innocence, A ("Nun va Goldoon"), 1997, Mohsen Makhmalbaf

18. Nostalghia, 1983, Andrei Tarkovsky

19. Open City ("Roma, citta apera"), 1945, Roberto Rossellini

20. Punch-Drunk Love, 2002, Paul Thomas Anderson

21. Rosetta, 1999, Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne

22. Sacrifice, The ("Offret-Sacrificatio"), 1986, Andrei Tarkovsky

23. Serious Man, A, 2009, Ethan and Joel Coen

24. Solaris ("Solyaris"), 1972, Andrei Tarkovsky

25. Song of Bernadette, 1943, Henry King

26. Summer / The Green Ray ("Le Rayon vert"), 1986, Eric Rohmer

27. Through a Glass Darkly ("Såsom i en spegel"), 1961, Ingmar Bergman

28. Trial of Joan of Arc, The ("Proces de Jeanne d'Arc"), 1962, Robert Bresson

29. Ushpizin ("The Guests"), 2004, Giddi Dar

30. Virgin Spring, The ("Jungfrukallan"), 1960, Ingmar Bergman

31. Wind Will Carry Us, The ("Bad ma ra khaha bord"), 1999, Abbas Kiarostami

2 more for you:

Frisbee: The Life and Death of a Hippie Preacher, 2005, David Di Sabatino

Son of Man, 2006, Mark Dornford-May

PS I was almost fooled--last year we had The Trial of Joan of Arc (1962), and that is gone just as you've said--but now we have The Trial (1962), the Orson Welles movie, and I had to blink a couple of times before I picked up on the difference.

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Ouch! on losing A Serious Man and The Wind Will Carry Us.

But I'm happy that Breaking the Waves has been vanquished by Dogville.

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The Albanians got screwed.

They're used to it. ;)

I can't for the life of me figure out which movie(s) you're talking about.

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Excellent list! Surprised that Ordet knocked out of the #1 spot, but that other Dreyer film is pretty darn good too.

I guess I'm going to have to finally get around to seeing Andrei Rublev.

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There are four Robert Bresson films in the top 100:

5 Au Hasard Balthazar (1966)

23 Diary of a Country Priest, The (Le Journal D'un Cure De Campagne)

68 Man Escaped, A ("Un condamne a mort s'est eschappe ou Le vent soufflé ou il veut") (1956)

78 Pickpocket (1959)

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There are four Robert Bresson films in the top 100:

5 Au Hasard Balthazar (1966)

23 Diary of a Country Priest, The (Le Journal D'un Cure De Campagne)

68 Man Escaped, A ("Un condamne a mort s'est eschappe ou Le vent soufflé ou il veut") (1956)

78 Pickpocket (1959)

Whoa, so does that mean The Story of the Weeping Camel gets in after all?

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Absolutely thrilled to see Sophie Scholl and Ran make it and I'm very pleased by The New World's ascent! Still no Varda, though. Oh well.

I'm not sure how I feel about Make Way blazing right to the top. It IS great but...that high, that fast? I don't know.

EDIT: Ok, I do know. I'm uncomfortable with it being in the top 10 so soon after being introduced here, and being re-discovered on a fairly wide scale. I feel the same way about it that I do about new releases that I love. It's impact within the larger film-loving world has yet to really settle.

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A quick note on a notable feature of our voting:

One can't help but notice that many, many of the movies in our Top 100 have a significantly lower rating in the poll than the previous year. Ordet, for instance, is ranked 4.38, whereas last year it was ranked 4.73. Ordet moved down two spots, but even our new #1, The Passion of Joan of Arc, which moved up 3 spots, decreased in rating, from 4.57 to 4.44.

In this year's Top 100, by my rough count:

14 movies increased in rating from last year;

9 movies were not voted on last year;

77 movies decreased in rating from last year.

I think the most plausible explanation for this is that fewer movies were voted on, and that we adjusted our voting habits to account for the smaller number of movies. Consider that:

Last year, the average rating, with 369 movies eligible for voting, was 3.29.

This year, the average rating, with 194 movies eligible for voting, was 3.28.

We seem to change our votes relative to what other movies are in competition. A movie which might be a 5 in one poll might be a 4 in another poll.

PS as an elite list, this are the movies that bucked the trend and increased their rating, by my rough calculation. NB some did not make the Top 100, e.g. Amazing Grace which moved up from 317 to 140.

Make Way for Tomorrow (1937) 43.16%

Grave of the Fireflies (1988) 15.17%

Amazing Grace (2006) 13.58%

Miracle Maker , The (2000) 12.03%

Paths of Glory (1957) 11.14%

Apocalypse Now (1979) 8.35%

Places in the Heart (1984) 7.25%

Vertigo (1958) 6.83%

Night of the Hunter , The (1955) 6.12%

Code Unknown: Incomplete Tales of Several Journeys (2000) 5.90%

Nights of Cabiria (1957) 4.93%

Fantasia (1940) 4.74%

Lars and the Real Girl (2007) 3.46%

F for Fake (1973) 3.43%

Iron Giant , The (1999) 3.14%

2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 3.07%

Tender Mercies (1983) 2.51%

Magnolia (1999) 2.28%

Edited by David Smedberg

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A movie which might be a 5 in one poll might be a 4 in another poll.

Oh, absolutely. I thought this was a given. The easiest example to look at is the upcoming horror poll, for which I've already said I'm giving Vertigo a 1 because it doesn't even belong on that poll.

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A movie which might be a 5 in one poll might be a 4 in another poll.

Oh, absolutely. I thought this was a given. The easiest example to look at is the upcoming horror poll, for which I've already said I'm giving Vertigo a 1 because it doesn't even belong on that poll.

My understanding is that a vote of one more of a strike against a film than no vote at all - is that right?

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Yes. Because if you don't vote it is the same as if you've not seen it, and they adjust the math of the number of voters accordingly.

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So is a vote of one a strike against a film, as opposed to no vote at all?

Correct.

If you don't vote on a film, that means you haven't seen it yet and have absolutely no say on it at all.

If you give it a 1, that is the worst you can do to it.

Basically, I'm going to be voting more 1s than 5s, based on how the nominated horror list is looking.

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The system I allowed myself this year was to only give about twenty 5s. The one I wish I would've been harder against is Ikiru where I voted my three star heart and kinda wish I'd just given it a one to get it out of the top ten. I am way. too. nice.

Or did I give it a two? Might've done that, can't remember. I think I gave it a two, which is how I scored it at Netflix.

Point is, these things are somehow weighted, I know I carry at least a little weight, and I pretty much hated that film. Should've been harder on it.

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A movie which might be a 5 in one poll might be a 4 in another poll.

Oh, absolutely. I thought this was a given. The easiest example to look at is the upcoming horror poll, for which I've already said I'm giving Vertigo a 1 because it doesn't even belong on that poll.

Well, I mean in an "Ask me tomorrow and I'll feel differently" sense. The difference between 2010 and 2011 is that while we're rating the movies on the same criteria (unlike in the horror poll, which uses a different criterion), we're rating them against different peers.

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Nope. The criteria for me for the A&F Top 100 is the same as it has always been. What are the films that move me in a sense related to how I view my faith, and is the film in question coming from a place of pure or high art -- ie, how is its standard related to the rest of the arts world. It's the same thing as looking at the horror poll and thinking of it topically according to the board and its desires as well.

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Stef, that's how I understood my own voting as well. I didn't think I was giving any more or less "5"s based on the number of movies in the poll. I may have done so subconsciously... all I am saying is that data don't lie.

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we're rating them against different peers.

Ok, I got what you're getting at but I'm still not sure it matters. There haven't been any peers in the past year that are better, in my mind, than the top (just guessing here, but) six or eight films from last year's list. That automatically qualifies those films to get a vote of 5. The peer doesn't matter. Nothing has been better. Anything that even comes close from that point on is fighting between a three and a four in my book.

Here's the thing that bugs me about Ordet. Haven't seen any complaints on the Ordet thread. Did she say sixty-six voters this year compared to 43 last? I'd like to see how Ordet drops from the #1 spot. Someone is being very quiet about their feelings on the film, and it has to be someone new. At least I have the guts to say Ikiru is lame and here's why. (And then that film moves UP. oy vey)

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SDG wrote:

: Regarding write-ups for the new list: For the following films ... Koyaanisqatsi, Lawrence of Arabia, Fiddler on the Roof ... paging Mr. Chattaway!

Whoa. Will you believe me if I say that I had not yet seen this post (or, indeed, this entire thread) when I wrote my post in the soliciting-blurbs thread a few minutes ago?

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