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Is there really no dedicated Bond thread on this board yet? Apologies if I just didn't look hard enough.

It looks like there is a mutual distate for Brosnan to continue as James Bond. It also seems that the 007 brain trust is taking a cue from the Bourne series:

The U.K.'s Sunday Mail claimed that Bond's backers have decided the next film--the 21st entry in the official series--should be a turn-back-the-clock, lower-tech affair.

Producers also have ruled the clock should be turned back on Bond--in the form of a younger, as yet uncast actor, the paper said.

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Well, there was this thread about Quentin Tarantino's interest in making a proper adaptation of Casino Royale; that would certainly be low-tech and involve turning back the clock, in a manner of speaking, but apparently Tarantino wanted to do it with Brosnan.

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Others whose names--and appropriately accented voices--have been linked to Bond include: Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, Heath Ledger and Orlando Bloom.

Jude Law = yes. Everyone else = no.

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2 votes for Clive Owen. Especially given his turns in The Bourne Identity and the BMW films. But really in The Bourne Identity. Wow.

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Clarification: "Everybody else = no" means "Everybody else in this shortlist." Clive Owen was not on the ballot, not that there's anything wrong with a write-in.

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I too vote for Clive, if and only if someone can bring something new and interesting to the franchise's storytelling. I'm all for Tarantino. But I'd give anything to see... oh... a Whit Stillman film about Bond, or a Richard Linklater film, or a Wim Wenders film, or a Tim Robbins film, or... OH HECK YEAH... A SOFIA COPPOLA FILM.

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I don't believe the Broccoli family would ever allow an American to direct a Bond film, or at least one with any sort of strong vision. To date, they've hired only Brits, Scots or Kiwis, and generally ones without particular stylistic flairs. The same is true for the sort of scripts they approve for production.

I mean, didn't they turn down Spielberg, which led in part to the impetus to bring Indiana Jones to the screen?

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Over the years, lots of notable American directors with "personal styles" have expressed interest in helming a 007 film. Spielberg, Scorsese, and lately Tarantino. From what I've understood, the Broccoli family has always maintained that Bond should be contemporary, so that would mean Tarantino's retro vision of "Casino Royale" would be out, although it's interesting to note that they are now considering "turning back the clock", whatever that really means.

I think Clive Owen is a bit of a dud. I don't know who should be the next Bond. Not McGregor - maybe Bloom could do it? I don't know. They could try searching among car salesmen again. Look who that netted them back in the day - George Lazenby!

JiM T

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Russell Lucas wrote:

: I don't believe the Broccoli family would ever allow an American to direct a Bond

: film, or at least one with any sort of strong vision. To date, they've hired only

: Brits, Scots or Kiwis, and generally ones without particular stylistic flairs.

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Now you've done it, Russell -- I have to check this for myself.

Bond Films I, II, IV were directed by Terence Young, who was born in China and died in France but was basically British, having served in the British army etc.

Bond Films III, VII, VIII, IX were directed by Guy Hamilton, who was born in France and apparently, as of the late 1970s, could not be in England for more than 30 days per year for tax reasons; no word at the IMDB on his lineage or citizenship.

Bond Films V, X, XI were directed by Lewis Gilbert, who was born in London.

Bond Film VI was directed by Peter R. Hunt, who was born in London (and who worked as an editor on some of the earlier films).

Bond Films XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI were directed by John Glen, who was born in England (and who also had been an editor and a second-unit director on some of the earlier films).

Bond Film XVII was directed by Martin Campbell, who was born in New Zealand.

Bond Film XVIII was directed by Roger Spottiswoode, who was born in Canada and raised in Britain.

Bond Film XIX was directed by Michael Apted, who was born in England.

Bond Film XX was directed by Lee Tamahori, who was born in New Zealand.

So yeah, they all seem to be coming from the Commonwealth, at least. Though if we count Never Say Never Again (1983) as a Bond film of sorts, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, who was born in the United States.

: The same is true for the sort of scripts they approve for production.

Oh, man, don't make me hunt down the nationalities of the WRITERS, too ...

Edited by Peter T Chattaway

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OH HECK YEAH... A SOFIA COPPOLA FILM.

So Bond would be wistfully lost in the stripper's act rather than bare his "007", so to speak?

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So yeah, they all seem to be coming from the Commonwealth, at least.  Though if we count Never Say Never Again (1983) as a Bond film of sorts, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, who was born in the United States.

And let's not forget the 5 men responsible for bringing us Casino Royale...

Val Guest - London, England

Kenneth Hughes - Liverpool, England

Joseph Mcgrath - Glasgow, Scotland

John Huston - Missouri, USA

Robert Parrish - Columbus, Georgia USA

on second thought.... let's forget them....

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Okay, now for the writers. And just for the sake of clarity, I'm going to colour these like so: Sean Connery (1962-1967, 1971) | George Lazenby (1969) | Roger Moore (1973-1985) | Timothy Dalton (1987-1989) | Pierce Brosnan (1995-2002)

Richard Maibaum -- b. New York, d. California -- Bond Films I, II, III, IV, VI, VII, IX, X, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI

Johanna Harwood -- no biographical data -- Bond Films I, II

Berkely Mather -- b. Wales -- Bond Film I

Paul Dehn -- b. England -- Bond Film III

Kevin McClory -- no biographical data -- Bond Film IV (McClory was apparently involved in the writing of the actual story on which this film was based, thus he partly owns the rights to it, and thus he was able to re-make the film in 1983, outside the official Bond series, as Never Say Never Again)

Jack Whittingham -- no biographical data, but apparently English -- Bond Film IV

John Hopkins -- b. England, d. California -- Bond Film IV

Roald Dahl -- b. Wales, d. England -- Bond Film V

Harold Jack Bloom -- b. no idea, d. California -- Bond Film V

Simon Raven -- b. London, d. London -- Bond Film VI

Tom Mankiewicz -- b. California -- Bond Films VII, VIII, IX

Christopher Wood -- no biographical data -- Bond Films X, XI

Michael G. Wilson -- b. New York -- Bond Films XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI

George MacDonald Fraser -- b. United Kingdom -- Bond Film XIII

Bruce Feirstein -- no biographical data -- Bond Films XVII, XVIII, XIX

Michael France -- b. Florida -- Bond Film XVII

Jeffrey Caine -- no biographical data -- Bond Film XVII

Neal Purvis -- no biographical data -- Bond Films XIX, XX

Robert Wade -- b. California -- Bond Films XIX, XX

So there would seem to be a better mix of American talent there.

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I'm sorry-- I was unclear. I didn't mean to imply that the scriptwriters were UK products, but only to suggest that the scripts they produce are generally not ones we'd consider to have anything beyond the most conventional narrative trappings. Maybe the EON/Broccoli preference for UK directors arises from the fact that they're a British production company. Still, apart from that decision, I wish they'd at least engage some of the more up-and-coming UK directors (say, Guy Ritchie or Danny Boyle), and then actually give them the freedom to inject some life into the series.

And as far as considering Never Say Never Again an official Bond film-- whoa. I think I can hear Ms. Broccoli's nails scratching on a chalkboard from here.

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"Orlando Bloom is to play a young James Bond in a new film about the secret agent's early years, it was reported yesterday."

Oh dear. Of all the "no" actors as defined above by me, Orlando Bloom is the no-est. (Heath Ledger is only slightly less no than Bloom, but no-er than Ewan MacGregor, who is the least no of all the choices that are not Jude Law.)

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But did you notice the story said the film would be made by MIRAMAX!?

Is Kevin McClory trying to start up a rival Bond franchise AGAIN, I wonder?

If not, then who's got the rights to this, and why is Miramax, and not MGM/UA, involved?

And if, as rumour has it, MGM/UA is sold to Time Warner, does this mean future James Bond boxed sets will combine Warner Brothers' Never Say Never Again with all the other films?

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And if, as rumour has it, MGM/UA is sold to Time Warner, does this mean future James Bond boxed sets will combine Warner Brothers' Never Say Never Again with all the other films?

WB certainly *could* do that, but the Broccoli's wouldn't be happy about it, and cow-towing to them is still important for the studio's interest in future 007 films. They could also throw in "Casino Royale", y'know.

JiM T

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Jim Tudor wrote:

: They could also throw in "Casino Royale", y'know.

Really? I thought that was a Columbia film. (Then again, WB has done a very good job of convincing other studios to let their films be included in WB boxed sets, e.g. Columbia's Dr. Strangelove is in the WB Stanley Kubrick set.)

Russell Lucas wrote:

: McClory's rights only ever extended to remaking Thunderball.

True, though that didn't stop him from trying to set up a rival franchise at Sony a few years ago -- that may have been the biggest movie-franchise legal entanglement since, I dunno, James Cameron learned he couldn't make Spider-Man because no one knew who had the rights to that character.

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The respective nationalities of the directors may be interesting, but it's pretty clear that the main creative forces on every Bond film since Cubby's death, and the reason for the current malaise in the franchise, have been Barbara Broccoli and Michael J. Wilson. Individual writers and directors may bring some sparks of their own ideas but the structures of the films have barely changed (Very difficult to say which directors/writers have managed to leave a personal mark on any of the recent films. I like to think Michael Apted was able to convince the Broccolis that longer stretches of dialogue between explosions would, rightfully, make The World is Not Enough a decent enough film. And the first half hour of Die Another Day is a complete departure. But once the script gets to Cuba, it's the same old)

It's Brosnan's performances which have been giving all his Bond films much more weight than they deserve. I think MGM/Eon are flattering themselves into thinking that their formula works and they can simply shift around the actors as soon as they start asking for better scripts. Since that is basically what resulted in the whole Connery/Lazenby debarcle. In that case, though, Connery actively wanted to get out. The general sense at the moment is surely that Brosnan wanted to stay but wanted a better script and if he leaves, he will have been pushed. The question every actor on that potentiol list will now surely be asking themselves is: "Am I signing onto this series to be an actor or a trained monkey?" Dalton (and, to an extent, Brosnan) thought the former. And both have come to realise that it's really the latter. Unless there's a kiss and make up and some apologies all round, I'd put money that the next Bond won't be a name but will be a Lazenby (relative unknown with no pay demands and a willingness to do exactly what he's told)

The Orlando Bloom/Young Bond rumours have surfaced because of a new set of young James Bond books being written by the Fast Show's Charlie Higson. But there's no movie rights attached to them. We can all sleep a little easier as a result.

Phil.

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Bana Slams Bond Reports

Hulk star Eric Bana has dismissed reports he has signed a deal to replace Pierce Brosnan as James Bond as "crazy". The 35-year-old Australian actor was at the centre of a media frenzy last week when sources said producer Barbara Broccoli had offered Bana the part. But the Black Hawk Down star says he doesn't even want the coveted role - and has no idea where the story has come from. Bana fumes, "I've said like a million times I wouldn't do it. It's never, ever, ever been something we've had a discussion about. I haven't got a bloody clue where this all started."

Another one gone. Another rung up the Bond ladder for Orlando Bloom... laugh.gif

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Just read the sort of "Film Business" column in yesterday's WSJ Personal Journal (a sort of "Weekend Section"). Apparantly Brosnan is not out but noncommittal as talks have not resumed. He also wants a throwback film dealing with character and plot, as opposed to action. Micheal Gardner who added novels to Fleming's series was also quoted as saying that while Brosnan has done well, he has been underserved by scripts. I agree. Any chance that the Broccoli empire is reading stuff such as this? Boy would I like Brosnan to come back. He is soooo close to Fleming's man and the most believable of all as to physical skills.

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Apologies if I just didn't look hard enough.

Having found out he's not doing Bond again, that's probably what Brosnan is saying now.

(Not sure how that joke will translate on the other side of the Atlantic...)

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